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From: josh@topaz.ARPA (J Storrs Hall)
Newsgroups: net.politics
Subject: Re: JJ on Propaganda:(probably a waste of time)
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Date: Wed, 29-May-85 16:56:34 EDT
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In article <639@whuxl.UUCP> orb@whuxl.UUCP (SEVENER) writes:
>When Mr. Sykora suggests that it is some sort of crime for *anyone* to pay
>taxes then I find this a ludicrous assumption even on the part of many
>Libertarians who in general support the myth that somehow leaving the
>government totally out of the economy will resort in the laissez faire 
>utopia. 

Well, here's another straw man by Tim Sevener.  Nobody suggests that it
is a crime to *pay* taxes--What is suggested is that it is morally
reprehensible to *collect* them by force and by fraud.

Most libertarians maintain that leaving the government out of the 
economy would result in a better-working, fairer economy; the 
"laissez faire utopia" and other ludicrous characterizations
of it are artifacts of Mr. Sevener's imagination.

> When others suggest that public education should be scrapped
>despite strong evidence that it has been a key factor in the growth of our
>economy in the past I also find this flying in the face of reality.

Flying in the face of your unfounded opinions, you mean.  I would
believe that education per se has been useful--But gov't administration
of same doubles the cost (which is still borne by the people, remember)
and reduces the quality.

> 
>As for examining my own assumptions I certainly do that.  

I flatly do not believe this statement.  The fact that your
assumptions differ from those of other socialists does not mean
that you have examined them critically.

>              tim sevener  whuxl!orb

--JoSH