Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site psc70.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!bonnie!akgua!whuxlm!harpo!decvax!dartvax!psc70!tos From: tos@psc70.UUCP (Dr.Schlesinger) Newsgroups: net.politics.theory Subject: Re: Re: Business Cycles -- Note to Gadfly:Re to DKmcK Message-ID: <135@psc70.UUCP> Date: Fri, 31-May-85 06:13:33 EDT Article-I.D.: psc70.135 Posted: Fri May 31 06:13:33 1985 Date-Received: Sat, 1-Jun-85 23:25:27 EDT References: <1146@ratex.UUCP> <632@whuxl.UUCP> <1976@topaz.ARPA> <637@whuxl.UUCP>, <2006@topaz.ARPA> Organization: Plymouth State College, Plymouth, NH Lines: 19 The folks carrying on the sometimes interesting discussion about "systems" seem sometimes to forget (and then it gets not-so-interesting) that "systems" don't "exist" at all. They are ideas created by various scholars who define a phenomenon which lends itself to chronological analysis -- usually something like a graph -- and which on that basis then gives evidence of some regularieties, some recurring pattern of behavior. Change your definition of the phenomenon, and the apparent regularity or recurrence changes. To treat "systems" as reality is simply another crude reification. The folks who get awards for the articles and books which announce the "discovery" of the systems would be the first to object reification of what are, and should remain, no more than hypotheses... ways of depicting reality to be used as intellectual tools to better sort it out, and learn about it... most optimistically to predict future behavior. Tom Schlesinger Plymouth State College, Plymouth, NH