Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2(pesnta.1.2) 9/5/84; site idsvax.UUCP Path: utzoo!utcs!lsuc!pesnta!idsvax!steiny From: steiny@idsvax.UUCP (Don Steiny) Newsgroups: net.religion Subject: Re: Re: Mormons Message-ID: <152@idsvax.UUCP> Date: Sat, 1-Jun-85 18:40:05 EDT Article-I.D.: idsvax.152 Posted: Sat Jun 1 18:40:05 1985 Date-Received: Sat, 1-Jun-85 21:18:23 EDT References: <1922@decwrl.UUCP> <80@zinfan.UUCP> <322@scgvaxd.UUCP> <953@trwatf.UUCP> Organization: Independent Consultant - C/UNIX, Natural Language Lines: 42 *** This week's Time magazine had an article that verified in the authentic hand of one of the wittnesses to Joe Smith's revelation that Joe Smith encountered a "white salamander", not an angel. I believe the line of the Mormon church is that the Mormons were unfairly prosecuted. However, Joe Smith was once arrested for "money digging." Joe Smith alledgedly had "seer stone." He would put the stone in a hat to block out the light and the stone would become translucent. It would reveal to him where gold and other treasures were buried in the earth. People would pay Joe a small sum (very small, apparently) and he would tell them where to dig for treasure. He was arrested for this and the judge concluded that Joe was so simple minded that he acutally believed his own line and that he could not punish him too heavily. (How would you like to have to explain to a police officer that your name really IS Joe Smith?) It was this same stone that eventually pointed Joe to the golden tablets where, inscribed (in reformed Egyptian), were several coda to the Old Testiment. Now you might wonder how Joe, who could not even write, could read reformed Egyptian. Well, that same wonderful stone acted as translator. Joe spend some time, face buried in hat, reading off the translation to his wife, who could write and wrote it down. I read this account in "Mormonism - Shadow or Reality," by Gerald and Sandra Tanner. The Tanners run a newspaper in Salt Lake City called the "Salt Lake City Messanger." Much of the information was gathered from newspapers and court records of the time. The Tannrs are former Mormons who have spent years researching the historical records of the Mormons and have written several books on their findings. The Mormons have said that the court records were falsified because of religious prosecution. The new evidence seems to bear out the court account. pesnta!idsvax!steiny Don Steiny - Computational Linguistics 109 Torrey Pine Terr. Santa Cruz, Calif. 95060 (408) 425-0832