Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site starfire.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxr!ihnp4!stolaf!umn-cs!ncs-med!starfire!john From: john@starfire.UUCP (john) Newsgroups: net.religion.jewish Subject: Re: Controlling one's ([homo]sexual) urges and Halakha Message-ID: <113@starfire.UUCP> Date: Wed, 29-May-85 15:24:08 EDT Article-I.D.: starfire.113 Posted: Wed May 29 15:24:08 1985 Date-Received: Sat, 1-Jun-85 00:16:56 EDT References: <411@oakhill.UUCP> <564@sfmag.UUCP> <1672@cornell.UUCP> <1594@aecom.UUCP> <572@sfmag.UUCP> <995@pyuxd.UUCP> Organization: Starfire Consulting Services, Mpls, MN Lines: 42 Perhaps I am more the fool for even responding to this, but so be it. In his article, Rich Rosen quotes and then writes: > > Homosexuality is quite different. It represents not only a major > > perversion of Jewish life, but a major violation of what non-Jews > > have until recently accepted as a normal lifestyle. The attempts . . . > > viewpoint. We should wage war against this serious social > > disease and against the fools and reshoim who attempt to soften > > the social sanctions which were always in place, among decent > > Jews and non-Jews. [YITZCHOK SAMET] > > Replace all references to homosexuality and homosexuals with "Judaism" > and "Jews", and replace "Jews" with "Christians" or "Americans" or > some such word, and the paragraph above sounds awful hateful, doesn't > it? Replace all references to homosexuality and homosexuals with "murders" "theives" or any other less societally-enobled group (tax cheaters?) and see what you read. What does this teach you about this substitution argument? NOTE: I am NOT equating homosexuality to murder anymore than Rich is equating it to Americanism. If you want to invoke Freud, do it on someone else's time. > If the religious right were to make your sorts of statements about > those who practice the "abomination of Judaism", you would be rightfully > upset, no? Is there a reason why you can't have the same level of > tolerance for others and their ways that you would expect others to have for > you and your ways? It's your opinion that sexual practices other than your > own are abominable. Fine. There are those who have the same feelings about > the way you practice your religion. In what way are you any different from > them? Swell. Let them show creditable documents from antiquity with a long- standing tradition to support them. No? If you want to reject Torah, reject it, but at least be open about it. Shalom ------ John Lind, Starfire Consulting Services E-mail: ihnp4!umn-cs!digi-g!starfire!john USnail: PO Box 13001, Mpls MN 55414