Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site digi-g.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!bonnie!akgua!whuxlm!whuxl!houxm!ihnp4!stolaf!umn-cs!digi-g!brian From: brian@digi-g.UUCP (Merlyn Leroy) Newsgroups: net.religion.jewish Subject: Re: Controlling one's ([homo]sexual) urges and Halakha Message-ID: <632@digi-g.UUCP> Date: Fri, 31-May-85 10:55:22 EDT Article-I.D.: digi-g.632 Posted: Fri May 31 10:55:22 1985 Date-Received: Sun, 2-Jun-85 02:46:45 EDT References: <411@oakhill.UUCP> <564@sfmag.UUCP> <1672@cornell.UUCP> <1594@aecom.UUCP> <572@sfmag.UUCP> <995@pyuxd.UUCP> <113@s31 May 85 14:55:22 GMT Reply-To: brian@digi-g.UUCP (brian) Organization: Digigraphic Systems Corp., Mpls, MN Lines: 34 Summary: >>> Homosexuality is quite different. It represents not only a major >>> perversion of Jewish life, but a major violation of what non-Jews >>> have until recently accepted as a normal lifestyle...(etc) >>> [YITZCHOK SAMET] >> >> Replace all references to homosexuality and homosexuals with "Judaism" >> and "Jews", and replace "Jews" with "Christians" or "Americans" or >> some such word, and the paragraph above sounds awful hateful, doesn't it? >> [RICH ROSEN] > >Replace all references to homosexuality and homosexuals with "murders" >"thieves" or any other less societally-enobled group (tax cheaters?) and see >what you read. What does this teach you about this substitution argument? > [JOHN LIND] Thief = taking something against owner's will Borrower = taking something with owner's consent rapist = sex against someone's will heterosexual = sex with someone of the opposite sex with mutual consent homosexual = sex with someone of the same sex with mutual consent Murderer = killing someone against their will (killing someone with their consent is a whole different topic) It tells me that (in general) thieves/rapists/murderers all do something nasty to other people that they don't like, while borrowers/hetero/homosexuals do something with the other person's consent. Replace "homosexuals" with "foobars" and see how nasty a foobar sounds. Merlyn Leroy Foobar: N. A person who is not recognized by friends, family, etc., due to extreme ineptitude. Also Fubar (archaic). (Lat. Fu + bar, "Foul-up" (an inept person) + "Beyond All Recognition" (completely foreign, alien))