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From: sher@rochester.UUCP (David Sher)
Newsgroups: net.religion.jewish
Subject: Re: inappropriate debating tactics
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Date: Sat, 1-Jun-85 18:15:34 EDT
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Posted: Sat Jun  1 18:15:34 1985
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Reply-To: sher@rochester.UUCP (David Sher)
Organization: U. of Rochester, CS Dept.
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Keywords: debating homosexuals

>	Samet preaches hatred for homosexuals.  [EXHIBITS IN EVIDENCE]
>	Samet feels there is no double standard or hypocrisy in saying
>		"It's NOT O.K. to hate Jews, but it IS O.K. to hate
>			homosexuals."  [EXHIBITS IN EVIDENCE]
>-- 
>"Now, go away or I shall taunt you a second time!"
>				Rich Rosen  ihnp4!pyuxd!rlr

Wait a second, lets not escalate things here.  As far as I ever heard on
this net or elsewhere there is no justification for hating homosexuals in
the hallacha and no one has claimed there is.  To put words in Yitzchak (sp?)
Samet's mouth, I believe he said that homosexual acts are not legal acts
according to the Talmud.  These acts carry a certain punishment and from that
we can judge how bad an act it is.  I believe that the punishment for 
desecrating the sabbath is worse than that for a homosexual act.  Thus one
can infer that active homosexuals are bad but not as bad as reform Jews.  
Of course I might have missed something and Samet either could be debating
from some different understanding of the hallacha or inconsistent with his
own beliefs (I am inconsistent so he can be too).  Anyway claiming that
he is preaching hatred is adding emotionalism unnecessarily.  We don't need
to help increase entropy it does quite well on its own.
-David Sher