Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site wateng.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!wateng!broehl From: broehl@wateng.UUCP (Bernie Roehl) Newsgroups: net.space Subject: Re: Money to burn Message-ID: <2437@wateng.UUCP> Date: Wed, 29-May-85 10:51:23 EDT Article-I.D.: wateng.2437 Posted: Wed May 29 10:51:23 1985 Date-Received: Thu, 30-May-85 02:45:21 EDT References: <1925@mordor.UUCP> Reply-To: broehl@wateng.UUCP (Bernie Roehl) Organization: U of Waterloo, Ontario Lines: 54 Hmm... To get first data back in ~100 years, and given that 40 of those years is the time it would take the data to make the trip back, you have 60 years to get to a star 20 ly away. Thus, you must be travelling at .3c, average. However, the speed in the target system must be reduced to 0.05c; this is a non-trivial task! Doing the whole thing by 1990 for less than $1B is, to say the least, extremely challenging. Personally, I don't think it's possible. However... The most promising form of propulsion is probably the use of ground-based lasers. You would use one shuttle flight to put the probe itself in orbit, along with a *very* long-lasting nuclear power source and self-repairing on-board systems (don't laugh; serious research has been done in this area). The second shuttle flight would carry a modified Centaur stage and a *huge* solar sail. You mate the two in earth orbit, and use the Centaur to take the thing on a trajectory past some massive body (e.g. Jupiter) to give it more of a kick (or, more accurately, redirect its velocity vector to a more useful direction). One possibility is to use Jupiter to cancel the craft's orbital velocity relative to the Sun, and use the Sun's gravity for even more of a slingshot. All this maneuvering would take a number of years, but the end result would be a craft leaving the solar system with a reasonable velocity (still nowhere near c of course, put respectable nevertheless). By the time all of this is done, we may very well have powerful enough ground-based (or space-based?) lasers that we can start using them to propel the craft further. The craft would unfurl its sail, and we would focus the laser on it, providing thrust. Since lasers produce a highly collimated beam, there is no real 1/(r squared) problem. In theory, you can eventually get the thing moving at a pretty good clip; after all, you get a small but continuous acceleration for ~60 years. (remember of course that a ground-based laser would not be able to "see" the probe continuosly, but it wouldn't be that many years before space-based lasers would supplant the ground-based one(s)). The big problem is slowing the probe down when it arrives. The best way is to have a laser on the destination end, but in this case that seems a little unlikely. Other than that, no solution seems immediately obvious. Of course, I would hope that in the 100 years it would take to get data back from the probe, we will have reached the point where the probe itself is little more than an historical curiousity. Personally, I want to be there when the probe arrives... -- -Bernie Roehl (University of Waterloo) ...decvax!watmath!wateng!broehl