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From: chris@pyuxc.UUCP (R. Hollenbeck)
Newsgroups: net.women
Subject: Re: "provocative" clothing
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Date: Fri, 24-May-85 11:03:56 EDT
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>Rape is nothing like this. A woman is not raped because the man
>was so horny he couldn't stand it; a woman is raped BECAUSE SHE IS A WOMAN.

Agreed.  I never bought the notion that anyone could get so horny they 
couldn't stand it.  Rapists are working from a different perspective
(I don't claim to know what it is, but I wouldn't buy the "so horny
they couldn't stand it" line either.)

>	This business about "provocative" clothing is a red herring, invented
>by men in order not to take responsibility for their actions and their 
>attitudes toward women. 

Here, however, I'd like to take partial exception. 
Since your posting is about rape, the above should say
"invented by rapists (and their lawyers) in order not to take 
responsibility ..." .
I've been flamed for saying this before (mostly by 
amateur Freudians), but I'm going to say it
again anyway. Conversations about rape tend to label all
men as potential rapists.  Men don't commit rape;
rapists (most of whom are male) commit rape.  Until people
can start making this distinction, discussions on this topic
will never achieve their purpose.  

>(We) men have to start realizing that we are
>responsible for the way society (and other men) treat women.

True.