Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site sphinx.UChicago.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!decvax!bellcore!allegra!ulysses!mhuxr!ihnp4!gargoyle!sphinx!beth From: beth@sphinx.UChicago.UUCP (Beth Christy) Newsgroups: net.women Subject: (Contains some explicit text *NOT* for weak-stomached readers) Message-ID: <560@sphinx.UChicago.UUCP> Date: Sat, 25-May-85 01:13:06 EDT Article-I.D.: sphinx.560 Posted: Sat May 25 01:13:06 1985 Date-Received: Sun, 26-May-85 20:26:29 EDT Organization: U. Chicago - Computation Center Lines: 75 In Message <697@burl.UUCP> geoff@burl.UUCP (geoff) writes: >> >> I am not trying to defend the rapist. The rapist is a low-life that >> no longer deserves life (in my opinion, and I will *not* get into >> capital punishment arguments here!). >> > >That's ok, I will. (I agree with you up to the last line, though). > >I very strongly oppose capital punishment for rape cases. >I can just about (big waffle here) accept it for first-degree murder. > >I cannot equate rape with murder. It is very bad, but murder is worse >(it is hard to recover from being murdered). [...] > > geoff sherwood Geoff, have you ever actually discussed rape with a woman who has been raped? I know a woman who was raped when she was 12 years old. She's 26 now, is in and out of mental institutions, and not a day has gone by that she hasn't thought about the rape and considered suicide. I know another woman who was raped by her boyfriend in college. It's been 6 years now, and she's just now beginning to be able to be physically close to her (new) boyfriend. Nowhere near being able to make love with him, but she's able to let him hold her in his arms. But not a day has gone by that she hasn't thought about the rape and considered suicide. 2 out of 2 women that I care about have found it pretty damn hard to recover from rape, too. Me, I've never been raped. I don't think I *really* know what it means. But I know that if I'm ever threatened with rape I'll fight so hard they'll have to kill me before they can rape me. 'Cause when I see the ongoing, apparently irreparable damage those bastards inflict, I actually believe I'd rather be murdered than raped. I disagree with you - I think rape is worse than murder. And I'd like to see the bastards die - real slowly. Whether we *should* kill 'em is up in the air. But I'd sure like to. I think you, and most men, are dealing with this issue in the abstract. I don't think most men really understand what we're talking about here. My apologies to those men who have gone through it themselves, helped a friend/lover recover from it, or otherwise come to grips with it. I know you're out there, but I think you're in the minority. So I'm gonna ask Geoff and the other men reading this to read the following: [*** WARNING: Weak-stomached readers should stop here. ***] Most rapes are committed by acquaintances of the victim. So try to get a picture in your mind of someone you know and trust physically over- powering you. Fondling you. Slamming you against a wall, holding you there and scratching your genitals hard with his fingernails. Pulling your head back by your hair and ramming his filthy tongue into your mouth. Grabbing your nipples, squeezing them, pinching them hard. Rubbing his prick against yours before forcing it up your ass, inside your body. And all the while telling you how much he's enjoying it, how "good" you are at this, how he *knows* you're enjoying it too. Asking you if you wouldn't like him to come back again sometime, 'cause he *knows* you're wanting him. And laughing 'cause you both know he *could* come back. I'm not a terrific story-teller, so indulge me a bit. Really try to imagine for yourself what it's like to have someone you trusted force you like that. Then multiply your reaction by a hundred, cause you *can't* imagine it. *Now* maybe we can talk about rape. -- --JB "The giant is awake." Disclaimer? Who wud claim dis?