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From: js2j@mhuxt.UUCP (sonntag)
Newsgroups: net.women
Subject: Re:Re: Men: you are not individuals
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Date: Thu, 30-May-85 16:43:35 EDT
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Posted: Thu May 30 16:43:35 1985
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> >>So, I say to you men: you are *not* individuals. Society treats you as men,
> >>which, in most cases, has benefited you. Be willing to accept (in part) the
> >>blame for what other members of the group "men" do.
> >>					David London
> 
> >I am surprised to find that I am actually incapable of expressing in words
> >my contempt for this posting.  Speak for yourself, London.  If you want to
> >define your existence by what other people think of you, that's your
> >business.  But the fact that I AM an individual can not be changed by what
> >you or anyone else may think.
> 
> I think I'll push the point a bit further, and say that this attitude really
> has a tone of sexism, racism, etc.. If you really believe that you are treated
> as an individual, 

    Hold it right there.  Who has said that they believe that they are treated
by society as individuals?  Both myself and the person to whom you are 
replying here have stated only that we *are* individuals, *not* that society
treats us as individuals (though that is a wonderful goal to work towards.)
-- 
Jeff Sonntag
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