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From: seb@mtgzz.UUCP (s.e.badian)
Newsgroups: net.women
Subject: Re: Last night
Message-ID: <785@mtgzz.UUCP>
Date: Fri, 31-May-85 14:15:09 EDT
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Posted: Fri May 31 14:15:09 1985
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>> In article <441@rtech.UUCP> jeff@rtech.UUCP (Jeff Lichtman) writes:
>> >
>> >I doubt Ellen would really imprison this man or injure him because
>> >he yelled nasty things at her.
>> 
>> Why the hell not?  I think you miss the point, Jeff, of how vicious this
>> kind of attack is.
>> -- 
>> Richard Mateosian
>> {cbosgd,fortune,hplabs,ihnp4,seismo}!nsc!srm    nsc!srm@decwrl.ARPA

>From cramer@kontron.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) Wed Dec 31 19:00:00 1969
>What ever happened to belief in free speech?  I notice a disturbing 
>tendency in this news group to support police state approaches to problems.

	How can anyone say this!!?? Free speech? If you think you can
say anything you like anytime you like, you living in your own world!
What do the words libel and slander mean to you? You can sue someone
for exercising their freedom of speech if what they say injures you.
Having experienced what Ellen went through on occasion, I can tell you
that what that slimeball said to Ellen did injure her. It may not have
cost her money, or ruined her reputation, but it hurt her deeply. It
hurt her self-respect, and she has felt a lot of frustration and pain
because of the incident. 
	So can some dumb drunk on the street say anything he wants. 
Well, yes he can. Is anyone suggesting scouring the streets to pick 
up all the obnoxious people out there? NO! Ellen is trying to impress 
upon you how much this has hurt her. It would seem that a lot of 
people have no empathy for this sort of thing. If you'd all stop 
over-analyzing this and look at what happened to Ellen you'd see that
she's screaming out "How can someone do something like this to me, just
because I'm a woman?!" This is the basic injustice in every woman's
life, something we cannot avoid. We are abused because we were born
female. And society so twisted up the idea of what it means to
be female that a lot of people actually believe women want to be abused!
That's certainly a sad comment on our society.

Sharon Badian	ihnp4!mtgzz!seb