Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site utcs.UUCP Path: utzoo!utcsri!utcs!clarke From: clarke@utcs.UUCP Newsgroups: can.politics Subject: Re: egg/chicken chicken/egg chigg/eckin Message-ID: <708@utcs.UUCP> Date: Fri, 21-Jun-85 14:04:28 EDT Article-I.D.: utcs.708 Posted: Fri Jun 21 14:04:28 1985 Date-Received: Fri, 21-Jun-85 14:47:26 EDT References: <893@mnetor.UUCP> <5642@utzoo.UUCP> <896@mnetor.UUCP> <5710@utzoo.UUCP> <704@utcs.UUCP> <295@looking.UUCP> Reply-To: clarke@utcs.UUCP (Jim Clarke) Organization: University of Toronto - General Purpose UNIX Lines: 19 Summary: In article <295@looking.UUCP> brad@looking.UUCP (Brad Templeton) writes: >People were not grabbed out of their farms and forced to work long hours >in the factories. They decided to do it because it was a better offer >than they got elsewhere.... > >Just remember when you claim that modern society was built on the backs >of exploited workers that those same people lined up to be exploited >wherever they could. Of course, the deal they got "elsewhere" was agricultural work with the previous generation of rotten, nasty capitalists. Well, "feudalists"? Maybe one reason why the early industrialists were such bastards (and they were, too -- the British reformed their mines and factories faster, once they had found out what was going on, than they had abolished slavery) was that they had to be bastards at home in order to be bastards abroad later? I don't know. I doubt that anyone on this net does. Any economic historians out there?