Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/5/84; site mnetor.UUCP Path: utzoo!utcsri!utcs!mnetor!fred From: fred@mnetor.UUCP Newsgroups: can.politics Subject: Re: egg/chicken chicken/egg chigg/eckin Message-ID: <1070@mnetor.UUCP> Date: Fri, 21-Jun-85 16:57:06 EDT Article-I.D.: mnetor.1070 Posted: Fri Jun 21 16:57:06 1985 Date-Received: Fri, 21-Jun-85 17:44:21 EDT References: <893@mnetor.UUCP> <5642@utzoo.UUCP> <896@mnetor.UUCP> <5710@utzoo.UUCP> <704@utcs.UUCP> <295@looking.UUCP> <708@utcs.UUCP> Reply-To: fred@mnetor.UUCP (Fred Williams) Organization: Computer X (CANADA) Ltd., Toronto, Ontario, Canada Lines: 35 Summary: In article <708@utcs.UUCP> clarke@utcs.UUCP (Jim Clarke) writes: >In article <295@looking.UUCP> brad@looking.UUCP (Brad Templeton) writes: >>People were not grabbed out of their farms and forced to work long hours >>in the factories. They decided to do it because it was a better offer >>than they got elsewhere.... >> >>Just remember when you claim that modern society was built on the backs >>of exploited workers that those same people lined up to be exploited >>wherever they could. > >Of course, the deal they got "elsewhere" was agricultural work with the >previous generation of rotten, nasty capitalists. Well, "feudalists"? > What people seem to be describing is an unsteady progression towards higher standards of living brought about by industrialization. I have pointed out to one person by mail that whatever was done in the past, we cannot currently blame the state of underdeveloped countries on exploitation by Canada,(or possibly even the Western nations in general), because we do so little trading with them that it has very little effect on our economy. Our high standard of living in fact depends upon trading partners well enough developed to supply our needs. For a while, you could say we were exploiting the cheap labour to be had in Japan. You will note how damaging this has turned out to be to Japan's economy?!?! (By the way, I think I said in a previous memo that China is starting out along the same road.) So it can only be concluded that now it is in our best interests to promote higher standards of living in the third world so that we can broaden our markets and sources and thereby improve our own conditions. . .before China buries us! Cheers, Fred Williams