Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site dciem.UUCP Path: utzoo!dciem!mmt From: mmt@dciem.UUCP (Martin Taylor) Newsgroups: can.politics Subject: Re: egg/chicken chicken/egg chigg/eckin Message-ID: <1592@dciem.UUCP> Date: Sun, 23-Jun-85 13:20:31 EDT Article-I.D.: dciem.1592 Posted: Sun Jun 23 13:20:31 1985 Date-Received: Sun, 23-Jun-85 15:36:17 EDT References: <5710@utzoo.UUCP> <704@utcs.UUCP> <295@looking.UUCP> <15207@watmath.UUCP> Reply-To: mmt@dciem.UUCP (Martin Taylor) Organization: D.C.I.E.M., Toronto, Canada Lines: 36 Summary: >>> Just remember when you claim that modern society was built on the backs >>> of exploited workers that those same people lined up to be exploited >>> wherever they could. >>> Brad Templeton, Looking Glass Software Ltd. - Waterloo, Ontario 519/884-7473 >> >>Are you saying that because a person or group does something willingly, >>it's the right thing to do, and is in his or her or their best interest? >> >I am saying that if an adult does something of his own free will and it >doesn't attempt to harm me, then I have no business interfering. > >This is known as the "pro-choice" philosophy. > >Whether people going to work in non-union factories are making a mistake >is a question for them to decide. It may be up to us to educate and >encourage according to our morals, but to used armed enforcers to insist >upon those morals is the anti-choice philosophy. Surely a pro-choice philosophy would give the highest value to the availability of choices? A choice between being downtrodden (I don't like the word "exploited" here) in one place and being downtrodden in another isn't much of a choice. If some coercion of exploiters (here it is the right word) results in more and better choices for the many, wouldn't this be consistent with the pro-choice philosophy? [About "exploit": I like to exploit my various abilities, and I hope my employers do, too. I don't feel downtrodden because of it. All of us try (or should try) to exploit our environment to our best advantage, but to do so isn't necessarily to the disadvantage ot the people and things with whom/which we interact. We aren't in a zero-sum game.] -- Martin Taylor {allegra,linus,ihnp4,floyd,ubc-vision}!utzoo!dciem!mmt {uw-beaver,qucis,watmath}!utcsri!dciem!mmt