Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.3 alpha 4/15/85; site ucbvax.ARPA Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!cbosgd!ucbvax!tcp-ip From: tcp-ip@ucbvax.ARPA Newsgroups: fa.tcp-ip Subject: Re: ARPANET/MILNET performance statistics Message-ID: <7713@ucbvax.ARPA> Date: Mon, 3-Jun-85 06:03:27 EDT Article-I.D.: ucbvax.7713 Posted: Mon Jun 3 06:03:27 1985 Date-Received: Wed, 5-Jun-85 01:20:50 EDT Sender: daemon@ucbvax.ARPA Organization: University of California at Berkeley Lines: 31 From: CERF@USC-ISI.ARPA Dave, Thanks very much for a most helpful summary. One thing which I note about the MILISI gateway, in addition to its having far more traffic that most others is that its packet size (per datagram) is larger than a single packet message, assuming the avg bytes you show do NOT include all the TCP/IP header bytes which must fit inside the text of a single packet message. If memory serves, these messages have room for at most 1008 bits or 126 bytes, some of which have to be given over to IP or TCP header. If I'm correct in this analysis, the MILISI gateway is injecting a good deal of multi-packet traffic which puts a potential strain on the current imp end/end protocol. I note that MILISI has a higher rate of datagram dropping - one might guess this is a result of increased buffer demands and possibly increased incidence of timeouts for multipacket transmission permission? Dave is right about the need to fix those wayward implementations which try to treat all nets as if they are identical in performance. To borrow from Jack Haverty: You can fool some of gateways all of the time and all of the gateways, some of the time, but you can't... The whole SYSTEM has to be thought of as a system and all parts need to meet some standards of performance and adaptation. If this is not achievable (and it's a big challenge) then nets and gateways need to find ways to cut off identifiable abusers. Vint