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From: steiny@idsvax.UUCP (Don Steiny)
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Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Disposition of Aborted Fetuses
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Date: Thu, 13-Jun-85 10:59:16 EDT
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> > >
> > > To Don Steiny: "Fetuses are like other dead animal material" --
> > > except that they aren't dead before they're put to some of
> > > the uses mentioned in the article, and they aren't animal;
> > > they are human.
> > => Gary Samuelson
> > 
> > 	Humans are not animals?   Yikes!  Things have changed since
> > I took biology in high-school.   Are we plants now?  Protoza?  Prions?
> 
> Why do people deliberately misinterpret others?  There are several
> definitions of the word animal.  I guess I need to quote the dictionary
> more often.
> 
> Webster's New Collegiate Dictionary:
> 
> 	animal 1. any of a kingdom (Animalia) of living beings typically
> 	differing from plants in capacity for spontaneous movement and
> 	rapid motor response to stimulation.  2a: one of the lower animals
> 	as distinguished from man.  2b: Mammal. 3: A human being considered
> 	chiefly with regard to his physical nature. 4:  Animality.
> 
> Since I said "not animal ... human" it should be obvious, even to
> Don Steiny, that I had in mind a definition like 2a, above.

	What distinguishes them?     In the Bible there is a distinction,
but the Bible is self-serving.    I don't believe in souls, fetuses
have little intelligence, what is so special about them?  You say
"but they are human!"  BFD - there are billions of humans.

> 
> But how come you didn't say anything about the first part of the
> statement?  About the fact that fetuses are sometimes alive when
> experiments begin?  That must be why you deliberately misinterpreted
> me; to divert the discussion (?) from the topic.
> Gary Samuelson
> ittvax!bunker!garys

	I did.  I mentioned that the whole notion of what constitutes
life is an iffy one.   The discovery of Prions have shown us that
there is much we have yet to learn.   A 12 week old fetus is about
as alive as a prion, despite the movie.   If there is no good reason
to experiment on fetuses that are "alive" I suppose that they should
stop so that people will feel better.   Life is for the living!


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