Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/13/84; site intelca.UUCP Path: utzoo!utcs!lsuc!pesnta!amd!intelca!kds From: kds@intelca.UUCP (Ken Shoemaker) Newsgroups: net.arch Subject: Re: IvsM: Memory protection + multiprocessors Message-ID: <3@intelca.UUCP> Date: Thu, 20-Jun-85 02:54:29 EDT Article-I.D.: intelca.3 Posted: Thu Jun 20 02:54:29 1985 Date-Received: Thu, 20-Jun-85 06:42:29 EDT References: <426@oakhill.UUCP> <8745@microsoft.UUCP> <583@intelca.UUCP> <433@oakhill.UUCP> <588@intelca.UUCP> <296@tilt.FUN> <5 <2310@sun.uu20 Jun 85 06:54:29 GMT Organization: Intel, Santa Clara, Ca. Lines: 37 > A memory-protected 68K box need not be slow nor expensive. The 68K Cheap and expensive are relative terms, however the last time I looked, the board real-estate for an external MMU was certainly greater than that of an on-chip MMU, and the fact that it requires extra hardware would tend to make me believe that it probably isn't cheaper from a raw component cost, from an assembly cost, a testing cost or from a stocking cost. As for performance, there are a few tacks that can be taken. The problem is that you don't get all the address bits out when the processor gives them to you, since some of them have to go through you MMU, and an external MMU requires > 0 translation/drive time! These either limit your flexibility in system expansion (e.g., differentiated row/column addresses to memory) or they add even more to the system cost (e.g., a virtual address cache). On the topic of multiprocessor systems and locked buses, the 286 allows instructions that perform read-modify-write operations to lock the bus selectively through the use of the "lock" prefix. Thus, the instruction lock add word ptr [0],blah would add "blah" to the word in memory at location 0, and would prevent other processors from gaining access to memory between the read @0 and the write to 0. Although this is a little unusual (the usual use for lock is to check semaphores), I can see how it could be useful, and I would be very suprised if the 68K of the 32K (or any other micro out there) didn't provide a similar facility (e.g., more than just a simple bus locked test and set instruction). -- ...and I'm sure it wouldn't interest anybody outside of a small circle of friends... Ken Shoemaker, Microprocessor Design for a large, Silicon Valley firm {pur-ee,hplabs,amd,scgvaxd,dual,qantel}!intelca!kds ---the above views are personal. They may not represent those of the employer of its submitter.