Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site watarts.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!watarts!mupmalis From: mupmalis@watarts.UUCP (M. A. Upmalis) Newsgroups: net.bicycle,net.politics Subject: Re: Bicycles, Violence and Hatred Message-ID: <8474@watarts.UUCP> Date: Thu, 6-Jun-85 11:44:37 EDT Article-I.D.: watarts.8474 Posted: Thu Jun 6 11:44:37 1985 Date-Received: Fri, 7-Jun-85 02:22:22 EDT References: <988@ames.UUCP> <492@ihlpg.UUCP> <972@peora.UUCP> <941@noscvax.UUCP> <903@mhuxt.UUCP> Reply-To: mupmalis@watarts.UUCP (M. A. Upmalis) Organization: U of Waterloo, Ontario Lines: 39 Xref: watmath net.bicycle:1236 net.politics:9283 Summary: In article <903@mhuxt.UUCP> js2j@mhuxt.UUCP (sonntag) writes: >> >> First of all where did the idea come from that roads were intended for >> automobiles and not for biclycles. Historically, roads were >> originally intended for bicycles and autos were considered a nuisance. > > Sure they were. Any evidence for this, or are we just supposed to >take your word for it? (Were the horses and wagons allowed on the road >with the bicycles?) Roads were originally built to transport goods and people, whether by foot, horse, sled, bus or bicycle.. Originally bicycles were meant for pleasure probably, but the use as serious transport was almost as quickly developed... Still one of the quickest ways from Point A to B.. The issue was are bicycles entitled to the road Mr sontag and not were they there first.. > >> Secondly, as a tax payer I pay for the maintanence and patrolling of >> roads. > > With the taxes you pay which are built into the price of gasoline >you pay for the maintenance and patrolling of roads. How much gasoline >do you buy for your bycicle? Do I understand that gas taxes pay the full capital and maintenance costs of roads, highways, bridges etc... In Ontario there are no toll roads or bridges, all freeways. Generally all revenues from gas taxes go into general revenues and not into a specific highway road fund... Cities that must maintain roads get no specific funds from Gas taxes, except indirectly from state/provincial government, unless your city has exceptional powers or a healthy license fee.... If you also believe in fair use fees, then the share for roads should go on the basis of damage, with trucks first cars in the middle then motorcycles followed by bikes.... -- ~~ Mike Upmalis (mupmalis@watarts)