Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.3 alpha 4/15/85; site weitek.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!allegra!bellcore!decvax!decwrl!spar!turtlevax!weitek!robertp From: robertp@weitek.UUCP (Robert Plamondon) Newsgroups: net.politics,net.social,net.women,net.flame Subject: Re: Discrimination and Affirmative Action Message-ID: <213@weitek.UUCP> Date: Wed, 5-Jun-85 12:55:35 EDT Article-I.D.: weitek.213 Posted: Wed Jun 5 12:55:35 1985 Date-Received: Sat, 8-Jun-85 03:08:45 EDT References: <566@sphinx.UChicago.UUCP> <879@mnetor.UUCP> <394@mtxinu.UUCP> Organization: Weitek Corp. Sunnyvale Ca. Lines: 28 Xref: watmath net.politics:9295 net.social:607 net.women:5591 net.flame:10346 In article <394@mtxinu.UUCP>, ed@mtxinu.UUCP (Ed Gould) writes: > > A study just released by a group at Stanford shows that women in technical > fields make less than men, and hold fewer management positions, by *more* > than the natinal average. In other words, discrimination in the high-tech > world is worse. ...The unstated assumption being that discrimination is the *ONLY POSSIBLE* source of differences in the number of women managers, or in average pay. Other reasons come to mind. One is that many women are too nice for their own good. These women don't lean on their employers for raises, they don't do the kind of manic job-hopping that's so common in Silicon Valley, and they aren't agressive enough to wedge their foot in the door when it comes time for a promotion. There are men like that too, of course, but in this culture most women have been raised to be "nice," not aggressive, and it's a handicap in a lot of situations. People who wait patiently for others to discover their sterling qualities are often disappointed. In an ideal world, your all-seeing supervisors would have the wisdom to see your worth and diligently shower you with promotions and raises. In reality, they're just as fallible as you are. -- -- Robert Plamondon {ucbvax!dual!turtlevax,ihnp4!resonex}!weitek!robertp