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Subject: Re: Discrimination and Affirmative Action
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Date: Fri, 7-Jun-85 11:56:26 EDT
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From postnews Fri Jun  7 10:54:21 1985
> 
> A study just released by a group at Stanford shows that women in technical
> fields make less than men, and hold fewer management positions, by *more*
> than the natinal average.  In other words, discrimination in the high-tech
> world is worse.  My own observations seem to yield the same conclusions
> about minority races, with the possible exception of Asians, whose
> culture predisposes them to work inordinately harder than us honkies.
> 

 Sometimes I get just sick enough of this crap to respond and this is one
 of those times!  

 1). Concerning the Stanford study;  Who knows what it was based upon?
     Statistic (studies et all) can be made to show anything you want them
     to show if you take the "right" sample and choose to leave off 
     relevant facts.  Does anyone take into account past training of women,
     men or minorities.  Does anyone take into account inborn traits or
     skills?  

 2). Women in technical fields make less than men.  What is Stanford basing
     this bit of bullshit on?  Are they comparing analysts with analysts with
     the same background the same years experience, the same ratings (note
     ratings are something I describe as others observations of your goals
     and abilities).  Or is good 'ol stats comparing women and minorities 
     who are associates to senior engineers.  All they say are technical
     fields.

 3). There are fewer women in management positions.  Well I'm not sure what
     the census is at other universities, but at IIT the ratio was about
     80% male engineering/commputer science students to 20% females.  If
     this is the norm or even close, It's no great suprise why men have more
     of the managerial roles.  





 Michael K. Pula
 AT&T Technologies