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From: robertp@weitek.UUCP (Robert Plamondon)
Newsgroups: net.social,net.women,net.flame
Subject: Re: Re: Discrimination and Affirmative Action
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Date: Fri, 7-Jun-85 13:55:29 EDT
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Summary: Just suppose...

Let's take a hypothetical example, and you people out there tell me how it
effects your concept of affirmative action.

An person starts a new company and wishes to hire some people.  The employer
interviews a number of applicants, and feels that the people with the best
qualifications, and the people who will be most effective working together
at the company, are a subset of the applicants of the employer's own ethnic
group and gender.

1.  Is this person hiring in an "affirmative action way...

	A.  If the employer is a white male.

	B.  If the employer is a black female.

	C.  If the employer is a white male nazi Bircher who beats his wife.

2.  If your answers weren't the same for all three choices, why not?

	A.  White males [or black females, or nazi Birchers who beat their
	    wives] are always wrong in these situations, because of original
	    sin, or history, or racial deficiencies, or something.

	B.  Affirmative action has nothing to do with morality: it's a power
	    play, and that's the way I like it.

	C.  Huh? I thought this was net.comics!


	E.  Other: _________________________________

3.  Should the employer hire some 'tokens' anyway, even though the 'tokens'
    would be less qualified? Even if the tokens are white? Males? Yuppies?

4.  Should the employer feel responsible for the past crimes of his/her ethnic
    group, even if he/she wasn't alive at the time, and try to make up for
    them by favoring people who resemble the victims?

	A. Yes

	B. No

	C. Only if the employer is a white male.

5.  I believe that the federal government will do a wonderful job of ending
    discrimination, if given adequate funding and police powers.

	A.  True

	B.  False

6.  Using race as a criterion when hiring is not bigotry when the effect is
    to cause a member of a fashionable group (such as Eskimos or women) to
    be hired.

	A.  True

	B.  False.

If any of you feel like filling this out, mail the reply to me --DON'T post
to the net.  If you only want to comment in general, please don't include
this whole posting; just put in enough so we know what you're replying to.

-- 
		-- Robert Plamondon
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