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From: ed@mtxinu.UUCP (Ed Gould)
Newsgroups: net.politics,net.social,net.women,net.flame
Subject: Re: Discrimination and Affirmative Action
Message-ID: <406@mtxinu.UUCP>
Date: Sun, 9-Jun-85 12:33:36 EDT
Article-I.D.: mtxinu.406
Posted: Sun Jun  9 12:33:36 1985
Date-Received: Fri, 14-Jun-85 01:22:40 EDT
References: <566@sphinx.UChicago.UUCP> <879@mnetor.UUCP> <394@mtxinu.UUCP> <213@weitek.UUCP>
Reply-To: ed@mtxinu.UUCP (Ed Gould)
Organization: mt Xinu, Berkeley, CA
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Summary: 

>In article <394@mtxinu.UUCP>, ed@mtxinu.UUCP (Ed Gould) (me) writes:
>> 
>>                       ...  In other words, discrimination in the high-tech
>> world is worse.
>

In article <213@weitek.UUCP> robertp@weitek.UUCP (Robert Plamondon) writes:
>...The unstated assumption being that discrimination is the *ONLY POSSIBLE*
>source of differences in the number of women managers, or in average pay.
>
>Other reasons come to mind.  One is that many women are too nice for their
>own good.  These women don't lean on their employers for raises, they don't
>do the kind of manic job-hopping that's so common in Silicon Valley, and
>they aren't agressive enough to wedge their foot in the door when it comes
>time for a promotion.
>

But why is that except for discrimination?  Women in our society are
those things (or aren't, depending on perspective) because they've
been, discriminatingly, *tought* - by society - to be them.

Maybe I should have said that the effects of discrimination are worse
in high-tech areas.  I made the original comment because so many people
were reporting their intuitive sense that thngs were bettir in computer
and related fields.

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