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From: todd@SCINEWS.UUCP (Todd Jones)
Newsgroups: net.women,net.flame
Subject: Re: Women/men and the consumption of toilet paper
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Date: Mon, 17-Jun-85 19:16:16 EDT
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Posted: Mon Jun 17 19:16:16 1985
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> > Well, maybe you ought to try wearing the shoe for a little while before
> > you condemn it.  Maybe you ought to try understanding what it's like
> > to have your gonads poke you in the ribs and say "Hey!  Check out the
> > babe over there, she isn't wearing a bra!  Very nice." 
> 
>      I can understand that; it's happened to me.  It's 'very nice'.

It's especially nice when everyone else sees it and laughs.

> 
> > before you
> > insist on your right to let it all hang out and then blame what happens
> > next on the man.
> 
>      If he does anything she hasn't given consent for him to do, then what
> happens next *should* be blamed on the man.  Whether or not your gonads are
> poking you in the ribs makes absolutely *no* difference.

grudging agreement here

> 
> > It takes two to tango, and none of us are mind-readers.
> 
>      That's why you have to assume that when she says 'no' she *means*
> 'no'.
> 
> > Women say they want men who are sensitive.  Well, maybe we'd have a little
> > easier time being considerate about your problems if you'd spend a little
> > time being considerate about ours.
> 
>       What problems?  Men have problems?  Are you sure you aren't just
> projecting your own personal problems onto men in general?  If you had
> any sensitivity at all, you'd understand that the problems women face
> are many orders of magnitude larger than the one you mentioned.  (you

Apples and Oranges, you blithering fool. Any well-versed feminist 
will tell you that men suffer from skewed gender roles too. Everybody
suffers. Everybody faces problems. Who is to say one set is "magnitudes larger"
than another set. Of course, women need equality. Women deserve the
right to choose their destinies, as do men. But don't make such
oversimplistic "problem" comparisons. Gimme a break.

> get a little horny sometimes,  awww, poor guy.  You think women don't 
> have the same little problem sometimes?)
> > -- 

Fair or not, women can find men(?) to sate their lust easier than
vice versa. (Or maybe I had the wrong opening lines!)

> > Roy J. Mongiovi.	Office of Computing Services.		User Services.
> -- 
> Jeff Sonntag
> ihnp4!mhuxt!js2j
>     "It's a hard rain a-gonna fall." - Dylan




The preceding opinions are, in all likelihood, those of Todd Jones.
However, these opinions will, in all certainty, bear scant resemblance 
to the opinions of SCI Systems, Inc., Mr. Jones' employer.

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