Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site alice.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!allegra!alice!jj From: jj@alice.UUCP Newsgroups: net.flame Subject: Jeanette on Todd on ... Message-ID: <3876@alice.UUCP> Date: Thu, 20-Jun-85 17:21:08 EDT Article-I.D.: alice.3876 Posted: Thu Jun 20 17:21:08 1985 Date-Received: Fri, 21-Jun-85 01:22:58 EDT Organization: New Jersey State Farm for the Terminally Bewildered Lines: 72 > > Fair or not, women can find men(?) to sate their lust easier than > > vice versa. (Or maybe I had the wrong opening lines!) > > > > The preceding opinions are, in all likelihood, those of Todd Jones. > > > > FLAME ME IF YOU DARE! > > No flame but a definite statement that this is a lot of bull. Yeah, very true, but... > The assumptions evident in this statement are very indicative of the > steretyped concept that women are merely sexual tools placed on this > earth for mens amusement. The concept of sexual freedom does not imply I really don't see that in the quote, Jeanette. In case you haven't noticed, everyone thinks that they have it harder until they learn to see through the facades around them... If anything, it seems indicative of the other way around. (we know THAT's not true, either.) I don't see that his statement is indicative of the concept that women are merely sexual tools. Perhaps you have something in mind, but I don't see it there, at all! In fact, the way I read his note is sort of the other way around. > that women can just go out and "sate their lust" as they please. > Considering the state of things today it is actually more difficult for > a woman because of: > > a) the danger or chance of being raped. Yeah. It's also hard for a man who is just out to have a drink and a dinner BY HIMSELF, because many women in the place will ASSUME that the "lone male" is out to attack them. I speak from experience, where I've gotten things like totally unprovoked "you better not follow me" routines from complete strangers that I'd not even noticed until they came up to offend me. Needless to say, the reply was "Huh? Why would I do that?" The reply was always presumptive of something both sexual and offensive. I've also talked to a lot of other single men, and it seems that I'm NOT the only one who has this problem. None of the people who do are either weird or threatening looking, in fact, most are nebbishes. I find that now I'm NOT alone, people will actually (unsolicited at all) talk to me if they feel like it. It hurts BOTH ways, Jeanette! > b) the state of society which labels as despicable the morals > of any woman who is obviously out for a roll in the hay. So? It also labels men the same way. This doesn't mean it's right, of course, but face it, the greater part of this country lives by rules that were constructed to keep order before modern medicine. > c) Men are allowed this freedom of action without any great amount > of public antipathy. A crock. Maybe it seems that way to you, but to me it seems the other way around. Sorry, but that's all I see! (I grant that it may feel that way to you, but I don't think it's just because you're female.) > I admit it would be a nice situation , even ideal, but today, in this country > or most others I have heard of, it is simply untrue. > > jeanette l. zobjeck > ihnp4!ihlpl!zubbie The last is true. JJ -- TEDDY BEARS HAVE LIMITED PATIENCE! THEY DO EVENTUALLY GET HUNGRY! "Let us remember my cat, Geoffrey, ..." (ihnp4/allegra)!alice!jj