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From: jeff@gatech.CSNET (Jeff Lee)
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Subject: Re: You Motorola and Intel guys are giving me a *PAIN* !!!!
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Date: Tue, 18-Jun-85 12:56:32 EDT
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> [flame on to 10 Megahertz. Or is it 12.5 Mhz? 16.667?]
> 
> Would you guys from Motorola and from Intel keep the h**l off the net
> with your rancorous bickering! My God, but you *are* annoying! If you
> want to duke it out over the merits of a 680x0 versus the 80X8Y then
> call each other on the 'phone and pay your *own* interconnect charges.
> But quit polluting this forum with all the trash!
> 
> Nobody reads your stuff objectively, 'cause we all realize that it isn't
> *generated* objectively. It's like reading pro-acne advertisements from
> the American Chocolate Vendors Association; can you understand that
> there is a severe lack of credibility?
> 

I disagree. This ongoing argument between the two camps has turned out to be
fairly enlightening. While those involved may be arguing religeous issues
there have been more than just a couple of good articles that have really
had a little depth to them. If you aren't here to discuss or read on the
comparisons of different architectures, then why are you here?? I would like
to give each of them a (software) knife and let them go at each other. In
fact, I would like to see more of the unix benchmarks run on different systems
that use the different processors, esp the 320xx folks who seem to have been
(wisely) silent through all of this.

My reasoning is this: I am a poor slum who cannot afford any of these systems
right now. I am constantly looking at the market, however, and interested in
how things are going. I know that currently I can pick up an IBM PC/AT with
XENIX (5.0 supposedly this summer) and disk, etc, swap the crystal around
and get a 10 mhz system up and running for 3.5K. The cheapest 68000 system
that I have seen in the same class is the ATT 7300 which I can pick up for
around 5K - 5.5K in this area (Atlanta). Price makes a big difference and there
is going to be a lot of software coming out of PC/AT's and XENIX simply because
they will sell more machines than most other folks (that stupid BIG BLUE
backing). I may not like it, but it is a fact. Support will be local,
hardware will be cheaper, and probably software cheaper, too.

What are other folks opinions. Let'em fly....

-- 
Jeff Lee
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