Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site alice.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!allegra!alice!td From: td@alice.UUCP (Tom Duff) Newsgroups: net.music,net.music.synth Subject: Re: Drum Machines - A Flame Message-ID: <3817@alice.UUCP> Date: Wed, 5-Jun-85 00:24:58 EDT Article-I.D.: alice.3817 Posted: Wed Jun 5 00:24:58 1985 Date-Received: Thu, 6-Jun-85 04:19:29 EDT References: <336@mhuxr.UUCP> Organization: Bell Labs, Murray Hill Lines: 53 Xref: watmath net.music:7783 net.music.synth:302 I have followed this argument with some amusement, since both sides seem to have such bad cases of head-wedge. Specifically, mhuxr!mfs claims the following: > Rhythm, on the other hand [as opposed to harmony], pervades all music. > There can be aharmonic > and amelodic music, but there is no such thing as arrhythmic music. > ... > These are *not* value judgements. I listen to a pretty wide range > of music, and these are the conclusions I reach. You disagree. Fine; > state your assumptions, observations and conclusions. Let us talk. > Save the value judgments on my assumptions, OK? Since the first two sentences are demonstrably untrue, so must be the third. As an example that most people might have heard, consider the Ligeti space-music used as sound-track in 2001. This stuff is strictly arrhythmic, consisting almost entirely of sliding clusters of held notes. It has no discernable meter or rhythm. Most middle-period Stockhausen has similar temporal structure (e.g. Mixtur, Gruppen, Kontakte.) (In fact, Stockhausen claims that Ligeti's and Penderecki's entire catalogs are ripped-off bits of Mixtur. But, I digress.) Since there is demonstrably arrhythmic music, it must be the case that any statement to the contrary is either a falsehood or a value judgement of the form ``That stuff's not music, because it hasn't got any rhythm.'' This calls into question the fourth and following sentences in the above quote. Apparently, mfs doesn't listen to a particularly wide range of music, or he thinks that Mozart, Johnny Cash, The Rolling Stones and Oscar Peterson circumscribe the range of `real' music. As for the general arguments, both for and against modern Drum Machines, they are all disposed of in `...Who Needs Enemies', an album by Henry Kaiser and Fred Frith. Kaiser composed all the drum tracks on this album on a LinnDrum. They are (at times) intensely arrythmic, extremely unrigid and unmetrical, original, exciting, (append adjectives ad nauseum.) When I talked to him about it, Henry said that the folks a Linn were `astounded' at the things he got the machine to do. It is hard to come up with objective statements describing the LinnDrum's musical (as opposed to technical) limitations. ``It isn't easy to play in real time'' is about as far as I would be willing to go. Those who value the real-time aspects of performance (particularly improvisers) will see this as crucial. Some of the rest of us may not. (Note that Frith and Kaiser, mentioned above, are free improvisers.) above, are free improvisers.) mfs's statements on the role of harmony in music and the function of performers also seem pretty narrow. As a composer, I think of performers as a necessary evil. Performers stand between the composer and his audience, and necessarily dilute the composer's ideas when they introduce their own. Performers call this `interpretation' and elevate it to a virtue. Fortunately, as technology matures composers can more and more afford to view performers as an optional component of the music, and need not delegate to them any aesthetic decisions they wish to arrogate to themselves.