Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site gatech.CSNET Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!gatech!spaf From: spaf@gatech.CSNET (Gene Spafford) Newsgroups: net.ham-radio,net.news.group Subject: Re: new group net.ham-radio.packet -- history/apology/future Message-ID: <339@gatech.CSNET> Date: Thu, 20-Jun-85 09:53:17 EDT Article-I.D.: gatech.339 Posted: Thu Jun 20 09:53:17 1985 Date-Received: Fri, 21-Jun-85 00:55:00 EDT References: <459@mtunh.UUCP> <315@gatech.CSNET> <460@mtunh.UUCP> Reply-To: spaf@gatech.UUCP (Gene Spafford) Organization: The Clouds Project, School of ICS, Georgia Tech Lines: 67 Xref: watmath net.ham-radio:2862 net.news.group:3172 Summary: Ham radio and mayo packet on rye, to go In article <460@mtunh.UUCP> jak@mtunh.UUCP (Jim Kutsch) writes: >We (those involved) do not want a "mod." group. We have had net.ham- >radio for years and have been successful in exchanging news with the >ARpa info-hams list. All we want to do is create a subdivision. See my previous posting about why I believe a "mod" group is preferrable. As to your second point, "We've used oil lamps for years and they work fine -- we don't want any of that newfangled electricity, by crackey!" :-) >I do not understand why this is of such interest to all those who don't >read net.ham-radio in the first place!!! We have subdivisions under >net.religion, net.nlang and several others. If you really want me to do >it I can post numerous private mail messages in support of the net.ham- >radio.packet group. Is this really necessary? The idea here is just a >subdivision of an existing group to better serve those who are involved >in the group. Each subgroup is another subdivision of the "net" group. I still have some faint interest in seeing Usenet continue, although it is fading fast these days, and I'd like to think that responsible individuals are concerned about the effects on the net *as a whole* when they consider new groups. That includes the effects of setting precedents. Also, the interface to other networks is something we need think about. I'm not claiming that there isn't support for your particular group, and I'm sure you can cite lots of others who share your interests. But someone could make the same claim for net.hamsters.and.duct.tape. We need to discuss each group some before it's created to see what the collective "wisdom" produces. There are some questions that need answering such as: How many people will read this new group on the Usenet? 50? Less? More? Would it be better served by making it a mailing list? Would the net as a whole be better served by making the new group a mailing list? Has anybody bothered to poll the current Arpa list members to see if they *want* the Usenet gating? >Also, Mr. Spafford, I answered your (somewhat presumptuous) private mail >to me when you did the rmgroup. However, I have not seen a reply. I >guess you would rather have all net folks read our correspondence? I get, on the average, over 40 pieces of mail per day from people on 4 different networks. I tend to answer letters that indicate they need a response, and not much else. Besides helping to administrate 6 machines, I'm supposed to be finishing my thesis -- replying to every letter I get implies a luxury of time I don't have. Your letter to me (as I remember) didn't really need a reply. You said you were posting to this group about the hows and whys of the group and the accidental creation thereof. That's how it normally works -- why did I need to write you back about that? My mail may have been presumptuous in that I presumed that the group had been created by accident or mistake. I was not going to attribute the flaunting of net "rules" to stupidity or malice -- would you rather I had done that? As for others reading our correspondence -- perhaps some of these issues need to be read and considered by others on the net. Surely you and I alone are not the ones to decide the fate of this new group, are we? -- Gene "3 months and holding" Spafford The Clouds Project, School of ICS, Georgia Tech, Atlanta GA 30332 CSNet: Spaf @ GATech ARPA: Spaf%GATech.CSNet @ CSNet-Relay.ARPA uucp: ...!{akgua,allegra,hplabs,ihnp4,linus,seismo,ulysses}!gatech!spaf