Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site spar.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!bonnie!akgua!whuxlm!harpo!decvax!decwrl!spar!ellis From: ellis@spar.UUCP (Michael Ellis) Newsgroups: net.women,net.nlang Subject: Re: Non-sexist language (historical) Message-ID: <341@spar.UUCP> Date: Thu, 20-Jun-85 03:55:07 EDT Article-I.D.: spar.341 Posted: Thu Jun 20 03:55:07 1985 Date-Received: Sun, 23-Jun-85 00:39:07 EDT References: <11267@brl-tgr.ARPA> <290@wuphys.UUCP> <5327@fortune.UUCP> Reply-To: ellis@spar.UUCP (Michael Ellis) Distribution: net Organization: Schlumberger Palo Alto Research, CA Lines: 43 Xref: watmath net.women:5983 net.nlang:3225 >>Instead, I think a new word is in order. The problem is, >>new words have a hard time getting accepted for >>normal use. I think the reason behind that is >>the lack of planning when inventing the word. -- Bryan Coughlan >Does anyone have information on the success of attempts of >"conscious" linguistic change? Obviously such things as brand names >have changed our vocabulary, but I am thinking of linguistic changes whose >goal is to change attitudes, as described in the article quoted above, >which proposes inventing a new gender-neutral animate pronoun. >-- Henry Polard Henry's comments are most appropriate to this discussion. The worst problem with invented pronouns like (zhe, co, per..) is precisely their artificiality. Very few people will understand those using such words at first; worse yet, it would seem to require a very conscious effort on the part of some group to bring them into wide use. Those who resist, and there would be many, will understandably scream about Big-Brotherism. They/their/them has a big advantage over invented pronouns because it has been used in colloquial speech for almost precisely the desired purpose for centuries. Where I differ from Henry's viewpoint is the reason for any the gender-neutral generic. There may be some who claim it is some kind of Orwellian plan to manipulate societal attitudes. In fact, the major reason is to provide a way, for those who care, to say exactly what is meant. Modern English usage evolved at a time when there were fewer contexts where the generic he/his/him could cause problems. As our society has changed, the old generic he/him/his came to be felt awkward and unclear, at least to many speakers, who have naturally hit upon the time-honored colloquialism they/them/their. Generic he/his/him has been maintained artificially by prescriptive grammarians for centuries. Newer texts need only add a paragraph affirming the existence of a generic singular they/them/their to sanctify a handy colloquialism. -michael