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From: friesen@psivax.UUCP (Stanley Friesen)
Newsgroups: net.origins
Subject: Re: The Scientific Case for Creation: (Part 23)
Message-ID: <503@psivax.UUCP>
Date: Tue, 11-Jun-85 11:30:31 EDT
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Posted: Tue Jun 11 11:30:31 1985
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References: <368@iham1.UUCP>
Reply-To: friesen@psivax.UUCP (Stanley Friesen)
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In article <368@iham1.UUCP> rck@iham1.UUCP (Ron Kukuk) writes:
>
>     THE SCIENTIFIC CASE FOR CREATION: 116 CATEGORIES OF EVIDENCE
>
>    C.  NEW RESEARCH SHOWS THAT  THE  REQUIREMENTS  FOR  LIFE  ARE  SO
>        COMPLEX  THAT CHANCE AND EVEN BILLIONS OF YEARS CANNOT EXPLAIN
>        IT.
>
>       36.  Detailed studies of various animals have revealed  certain
>            physical   equipment   and  capabilities  that  cannot  be
>            duplicated by the world's best designers  using  the  most
>            sophisticated technologies. For example, the miniature and
>            reliable sonar systems of  the  dolphins,  porpoises,  and
>            whales;  the  frequency-modulated radar and discrimination
>            system of the bat  [a];  the  efficiency  and  aerodynamic
>            capabilities  of  the  hummingbird;  the  control systems,
>            internal  ballistics,  and  combustion  chambers  of   the
>            bombardier   beetle   [b,c];  the  precise  and  redundant
>            navigational systems of  many  birds  and  fish;  and  the
>            self-repair capabilities of practically all forms of life.
>            The many components of each complex system could not  have
>            evolved in stages without placing a selective disadvantage
>            on the animal. All evidence points to a Designer.
>
	Except for the last two sentences there is nothing wrong here,
and my response would be "So what?" However, the last bit does not
follow from the rest. Remember co-evolution, well this is similar.
The components did not necessarily evolve in their present form or
for thier present purpose, they merely need to be brought together
at a later point. Also, many of your examples *would* be advantagous
in a less developed form. For instance crude navigation system is
better than none, and any small improvement in such would also be an
advantage. All this evidence shows is that efficiency is rewarded!
-- 

				Sarima (Stanley Friesen)

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