Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site ecsvax.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!philabs!cmcl2!seismo!harvard!talcott!panda!genrad!decvax!mcnc!ecsvax!dgary From: dgary@ecsvax.UUCP (D Gary Grady) Newsgroups: net.physics Subject: Re: Re: freezing hot water Message-ID: <1386@ecsvax.UUCP> Date: Mon, 3-Jun-85 17:12:53 EDT Article-I.D.: ecsvax.1386 Posted: Mon Jun 3 17:12:53 1985 Date-Received: Thu, 6-Jun-85 20:41:38 EDT References: <188@sdcarl.UUCP> <186@rruxo.UUCP> <1158@sjuvax.UUCP>, <620@digi-g.UUCP> Organization: Duke U Comp Ctr Lines: 24 Jearl Walker, the same Flying Circus of Physics guy who did the firewalking, also argued with his mother over the question of hot water freezing faster than cold. He told her about Newton's Law of Cooling and so on, and to prove to her that hot water would not freeze faster than cold, he did an experiment, which sure enough verified Newton's Zeroth Law: Mom Was Right. No explanation here. Walker has reported some tests involving covering the tops of the containers that suggest evaporation is somehow involved. Others who have speculated on this suspect convection currents... So much for old spouse's tales always being wrong. By the way, a popular old physicist's tale that turns out to be baloney is that water in a sink or bathtub spirals down the drain in a direction determined by the Coriolis force (e.g., counterclockwise in the Northern Hemisphere). The Coriolis force is far too weak, even when tests have been conducted in circular vats in which the water is allowed to settle for many days before emptying. (Curiously, the direction of spiral tends to reverse when the water surface gets down to about 5cm from the bottom...) -- D Gary Grady Duke U Comp Center, Durham, NC 27706 (919) 684-3695 USENET: {seismo,decvax,ihnp4,akgua,etc.}!mcnc!ecsvax!dgary