Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site rtp47.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!decvax!mcnc!rti-sel!rtp47!throopw From: throopw@rtp47.UUCP (Wayne Throop) Newsgroups: net.physics Subject: Re: Yet Another Flaky Paradox Message-ID: <64@rtp47.UUCP> Date: Sat, 8-Jun-85 13:28:39 EDT Article-I.D.: rtp47.64 Posted: Sat Jun 8 13:28:39 1985 Date-Received: Thu, 13-Jun-85 22:47:09 EDT References: <5377@tektronix.UUCP> <53@rtp47.UUCP> <206@kontron.UUCP> Organization: Data General, RTP, NC Lines: 65 [Hit "n" now, or forever hold your peices] [or, what does a one-eyed person see in a mirror?] > > > When you look in a mirror, the image you see is reversed left to right. > > > -- Carl > > However, ... flipping the image in the verticle axis rather than the > > horizontal axis is a convention due to gravity bias[.] I find [this > > explaination] unconvincing. So here is a more convincing (to me) > > explaination. > > -- Wayne Throop > > I have it on good authority that if your eyes were above and below > your nose, instead to the left and right, mirrors would indeed flip > in the vertical direction instead of the horizontal. Something to do > with incidence angles. Of course to get it to flip both ways, you > would need four eyes. > -- Steve McIntosh Since mirrors don't reverse right-left even when eyes are arranged to the left and right of the nose, I see no reason to conclude that if eyes were arranged vertically up-down would be reversed. I don't know what *you* see when you look in a mirror, but I see this situation (viewed from above): "reality" mirror image left | left | | | back-+-front | front-+-back | | | right | right If up-down were included, it would behave like right-left, and would not be reversed. If you had one eye or a dozen, things would still be the same. If your eyes were arranged vertically, horizontally, inside out, upside down, things would still be the same. If your eyes were backwards, on stalks, or in bony pits, things would still be the same. The illusion of left-right reversal is created by an odd convention. The obvious transform to map "reality" onto "image" is reversal of front-back. Most folks, when looking in a mirror, think of the transform "rotate 180 degrees on the up-down axis and reverse left-right", which also works. An equaly valid (and similarly overcomplicated) transform is "rotate 180 degrees on the left-right axis (ie, stand on your head) and reverse up-down". Of the three given transforms, "reverse front-back" is the simplest, the one involving rotation about the up-down axis is most conventional, and the one involving rotation around the left-right axis is almost never used (and of course there are a slew of other almost-never-used transforms that will perform the perceived mapping). The point of all this is that the arrangement of eyes along the up-down axis wouldn't make the rotation about the left-right axis any more appealing, since the preference for the up-down-axis-rotate transform is rooted in the "gravity bias". That is, because of gravity it is easy to both do and think about rotation around an up-down axis, but hard to do or to think about rotation around a left-right axis. The whole point of this so-called "paradox" is that the initial statement, "When you look in a mirror, the image you see is reversed left to right", is in error. My conclusion is that the above mentioned "good authority" should be sent in for routine maintenance. :-) -- Wayne Throop at Data General, RTP, NC !mcnc!rti-sel!rtp47!throopw