Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!bonnie!akgua!whuxlm!whuxl!houxm!vax135!cornell!uw-beaver!tektronix!hplabs!sri-unix!walton%deimos@cit-hamlet.arpa From: walton%deimos@cit-hamlet.arpa Newsgroups: net.physics Subject: Parascience Message-ID: <272@sri-arpa.ARPA> Date: Wed, 12-Jun-85 20:34:47 EDT Article-I.D.: sri-arpa.272 Posted: Wed Jun 12 20:34:47 1985 Date-Received: Mon, 17-Jun-85 04:32:12 EDT Lines: 41 We seem to have a real polemic war going on here. We have all heard of friends' paranormal experiences--sensing someone was about to die or had just died seems to be the most common such experience. I don't know enough of the facts about the Geller case to argue it one way or the other, but I have read some of the Skeptical Inquirer and the books which it publishes. I would like to inject some philosophy into the debate. One thing seems clear--if paranormal powers exist, they require new physics. Of the three currently known fundamental forces, namely gravitation, the electro-weak force, and the strong nuclear force, the brain produces only an amount of electromagnetic force which is too small to affect the outside world (except for EEG machines, which have very sensitive detectors). I submit that the only rational criterion for adding a new "psychic" force to these three is an experiment which indisputably shows the existence of paranormal powers which is regularly reproducible, no matter who does the experiment. No such experiment exists. Everyone who has tried to reproduce the results of the Targ and Puthoff remote viewing experiments, for example, has failed. In his introduction to a book criticizing these experiments, Martin Gardner tells the story of a physicist who went to his deathbed believing that he had measured an ether drift, and had thus disproven special relativity. As he was the only person in the world who could reproduce this result, it seems justifiable to reject them as the product of some unknown prejudice. I'm sure that no one meant to call your intelligence into question. I admit to being impressed by the number of magicians who saw Geller do what you claim to have seen him do. However, I think that physicists are justified in a rational skepticism: namely, that until an experiment which consistently and reproducibly shows that paranormal powers do exist can be produced, these powers most likely do not exist. We don't reject new phenomena out of hand: we all believe that ball lightning occurs, for example, because it is well verified observationally, even though it is both unexplained and not reproducible in the laboratory. Stephen R. Walton USmail: Solar Astronomy 264-33 Caltech Pasadena, CA 91106 ARPAnet:walton%deimos@cit-hamlet BITNET: swalton@caltech UUCP: ...!lbl-csam!walton%deimos@cit-hamlet.arpa