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From: mms1646@acf4.UUCP (Michael M. Sykora)
Newsgroups: net.politics
Subject: Re: Discrimination and Affirmative Action: Reply to Sykora
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Date: Wed, 5-Jun-85 19:00:00 EDT
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Posted: Wed Jun  5 19:00:00 1985
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>/* orb@whuxl.UUCP (SEVENER) /  9:23 am  Jun  3, 1985 */

>You are right to make the distinction between support of policies
>*because* they are rascist and support of policies *regardless of* the
>fact they are rascist.  Mr. Sykora's argument in support of 
>"employers rights" is definitely the latter.

This would be true if I advocated honoring the rights of rascist
employers and not honoring the rights of some other group of employers.
However, I never said that.  It is the employer not the policy in question
that is rascist.

>But the exact same argument
>was indeed used against the whole Civil Rights Movement and in arguments
>that people had every right to force blacks to stay at the back of the bus,
>not to let prominent black musicians eat in the very places they were
>performing,etc. I find support for such discrimination a tacit support for
>rascism.

I never said I support such things.  I merely said that people who own the
buses, nightclubs, etc. should be the ones to make all decisions 
regarding the use of these resources.  There is nothing rascist about that.

>  It is yet another example which demonstrates that Libertarian ideology
>or ideologues have no concern for the actual outcomes or fairness of
>the policies they espouse. If rascism results, so be it according to
>Mr. Sykora.  I still find this view abhorrent.

You are playing word games.  In this matter, I am not proposing any
policy at all.  What I am proposing is that such decisions should not
be made by policy, but should be decided by the owner.

"If rascism results" ?  How does it result?  The employers who are
rascist hold these feelings regardless of policy.

I don't choose to force other people to do what I want with their property,
and I don't want others forcing me to do what they want with mine.

>Such acceptance of rascism and elitism is one of the things I find very
>distasteful about certain Libertarian ideologues.
>              tim sevener   whuxl!orb

What do you mean by "acceptance" of rascism and elitism?  Are you
implying saying that I have advocated rascism (I don't know what
elitism is) ?  If so, when?

						Mike Sykora