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From: cramer@kontron.UUCP (Clayton Cramer)
Newsgroups: net.politics
Subject: Re: Congratulations to the NRA
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Date: Fri, 14-Jun-85 16:03:52 EDT
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Posted: Fri Jun 14 16:03:52 1985
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> >
> >    The hail of bullets was responsible for 16,575 suicides, 13,841 murders,
> > 1,756 accidental deaths, 540 undetermined deaths and 276 killing by
> > law enforcement agents. (In 1982)
> > 
> 	Hmm, according to the Wall Street Journal, 3 times as many
> felons are killed by people defending themselves than are killed
> by the police.   Where is that number, hidden under "murders?" 

Tell me how eliminating guns is going to stop the 16,575 suicides from
taking their lives with the other dangerous instruments that are available.
Also, "murders" is presumably based on the FBI Uniform Crime Reports ---
where "murder" includes all crimes charged.  In fact, a lot of people 
charged with "murder" manage to demonstrate to a jury that they were
defending themselves from attack.