Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site fortune.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxr!mhuxt!houxm!mtuxo!drutx!ihnp4!fortune!brower From: brower@fortune.UUCP (Richard Brower) Newsgroups: net.religion Subject: Re: Remembering the Holocaust: What have we learned? Message-ID: <5314@fortune.UUCP> Date: Thu, 6-Jun-85 18:30:24 EDT Article-I.D.: fortune.5314 Posted: Thu Jun 6 18:30:24 1985 Date-Received: Fri, 7-Jun-85 05:22:26 EDT References: <1019@phs.UUCP> <912@pyuxd.UUCP> <262@ihu1n.UUCP> Reply-To: brower@fortune.UUCP (Richard brower) Organization: Fortune Systems, Redwood City, CA Lines: 70 Summary: ">>>>" & ">>"Lord Firth writes. ">>>"I wrote. ">"Rich Rosen writes. >> We're talking about Don Black's threat to the net. You are talking about Don Black's threat to the net. Rich Rosen, others, and I are talking about the threat posed by organizations composed of people like Don Black to the real world where men and women are being killed by people with these attitudes. >> Further, I contend that your attitude, as well as Rich Rosen's, will >> only confirm "their" notions of the Jew as an obsessive, loud-mouthed >> whiner. >First of all, I wasn't aware that Brower, whom you were responding to >above, WAS Jewish. For the record, I am not Jewish either by religion nor by ancestery. Further details on what I am (race, religion, age, etc) will be provided via mail by request only. >It seems that you are among those who hold this >stereotype you speak of: if he's an "obsessive loud-mouthed whiner complaining >about bigotry", he must be Jewish. Given that it would seem that you hold >to a stereotype that people like Black will exploit to turn people into >anti-Semites (read my article in net.abortion/flame on how persuasion now >works as an "art"), I'd say you are unequivocally unqualified to make >statements about what is EXECESIVE in fighting bigotry. Amen. >>>> It's not as if what he said was subtle or anything. >>> Hitler wasn't very subtle either. >> I said it to Rich and I'll say it to you... "You're NOT being clever." >> If you have to resort to such simplistic and obvious arguments then you'd >> better suspect something is wrong with what you're saying. Don Black is >> not Adolph Hitler. He isn't gaining a following using the same political >> methods and there is no way that he could gain any such power ON THE NET. Are you saying arguments have to take up 100's of lines and be real complex to be useful? Otherwise Rich Rosen answered that objection below. >If his methods and his words gain one follower the damage is done. >> You twit. It's obvious that I'm NOT repsonding to Don Black's >> articles. I suggested ONE alternative to handle his postings which >> would be beneficial to THE ENTIRE NetNews community. People like you >> and Rich Rosen have a lot of gaul insisting that I confine myself to >> YOUR subject matter. Appearently your mind streches no further than the screen in front of your face. Wake up! There is a real world out there that is a whole lot more important than that green screen. Some of us are interested in discussing that real world. Actually, if you are not discussing that outside world, your postings have no relevance to what I wish to discuss. I do not mean to imply by that statement that you cannot/should not post whatever you desire to, merely that it has no connection to what I am discussing, and the subject line should perhaps be changed to reflect the fact that you are discussing an entirely different subject. Please (if you are not to busy flaming me, and if you are interested) that in the US of A, today, there are right wing groups arming to the the teeth gathering followers, and preaching racial/sexual/cultural (pick any or all) hatred. Don Black seems to support (partially or completely) these groups. He has posted on this forum (with what I believe to be malice) propaganda supporting racial/sexual/cultural/religious bigotry. I have in the past and will in the future vocally oppose any such propaganda anywhere that I see it. If you do not wish to participate in such opposition, I grant that as your right. If you wish to support such propaganda, I will oppose you also. If you do not wish to have your eyeballs assulted by such opposition, please use the "n" key on your terminal when you see my articles appear. Best wishes, Richard A. Brower Fortune Systems {ihnp4,ucbvax!amd,hpda,sri-unix,harpo}!fortune!brower