Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site trwatf.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!unc!mcnc!decvax!genrad!grkermi!panda!talcott!harvard!seismo!trwatf!root From: root@trwatf.UUCP Newsgroups: net.religion Subject: Re: Remembering the Holocaust: What have we learned? Message-ID: <977@trwatf.UUCP> Date: Mon, 10-Jun-85 16:05:51 EDT Article-I.D.: trwatf.977 Posted: Mon Jun 10 16:05:51 1985 Date-Received: Wed, 12-Jun-85 20:18:28 EDT References: <1019@phs.UUCP> <912@pyuxd.UUCP> <262@ihu1n.UUCP> Reply-To: root@trwatf.UUCP (Lord Frith) Organization: TRW Advanced Technology Facility, Merrifield VA. Lines: 94 In article <5314@fortune.UUCP> brower@fortune.UUCP (Richard brower) writes: >> [Richad Brower] >> We're talking about Don Black's threat to the net. > > You are talking about Don Black's threat to the net. Rich Rosen, > others, and I are talking about the threat posed by organizations > composed of people like Don Black to the real world where men and women > are being killed by people with these attitudes. And why do you insist upon replying to me about the real world when my original article dealt ONLY with the net? Because like Rich Rosen, you aren't satisified with the domain I was discussing... you want to hammer your own ideas home with no concern for my article, although that is what you claim to reply to. > [Richard Brower] > For the record, I am not Jewish either by religion nor by ancestery. > Further details on what I am (race, religion, age, etc) will be provided > via mail by request only. Fine... except your religious beliefs are not in question here. >> ["Rich" Rosen] >> It seems that you are among those who hold this stereotype you speak >> of: if he's an "obsessive loud-mouthed whiner complaining about >> bigotry", he must be Jewish. Given that it would seem that you hold to >> a stereotype that people like Black will exploit to turn people into >> anti-Semites (read my article in net.abortion/flame on how persuasion >> now works as an "art"), I'd say you are unequivocally unqualified to >> make statements about what is EXECESIVE in fighting bigotry. > Amen. And so now you (Rich Rosen) want to silence MY freedom of speech... I see. It's strange that you should agree with this statement Mr. Brower since you don't seem to recognize that Rich is applying the same sort of sophistry here that he condemns. First Rich tells us what seems to be true (actually a statement of his own views) and then makes a cast-in-concrete conclusion, based on his original false premises. He's just beating to death his own straw men. >>> [Lord Frith] >>> You twit. It's obvious that I'm NOT repsonding to Don Black's >>> articles. I suggested ONE alternative to handle his postings which >>> would be beneficial to THE ENTIRE NetNews community. People like you >>> and Rich Rosen have a lot of gaul insisting that I confine myself to >>> YOUR subject matter. > [Richard Brower] > Appearently your mind streches no further than the screen in front of your > face. Wake up! There is a real world out there that is a whole lot more > important than that green screen. Some of us are interested in discussing > that real world. Do NOT claim to be replying to my articles or my thoughts when in fact you are merely interesting in furthering your own views of the real world. If you want to discuss the real-world, start a new discussion or change the current thrust of this one, but DO NOT claim that I am myopic because my original article does not address a domain it was never intending to address. > [Richard Brower] > Actually, if you are not discussing that outside world, > your postings have no relevance to what I wish to discuss. I do not mean > to imply by that statement that you cannot/should not post whatever you > desire to, merely that it has no connection to what I am discussing, and > the subject line should perhaps be changed to reflect the fact that you > are discussing an entirely different subject. But wait... YOU'RE the one who was replying to Lord Frith's original article were you not? Let's include this one.... > [Rich Brower] > Please (if you are not to busy flaming me, and if you are interested) that > in the US of A, today, there are right wing groups arming to the the teeth > gathering followers, and preaching racial/sexual/cultural (pick any or all) > hatred. Don Black seems to support (partially or completely) these groups. > He has posted on this forum (with what I believe to be malice) propaganda > supporting racial/sexual/cultural/religious bigotry. I have in the past > and will in the future vocally oppose any such propaganda anywhere that I > see it. > > Best wishes, > Richard A. Brower Fortune Systems > {ihnp4,ucbvax!amd,hpda,sri-unix,harpo}!fortune!brower -- UUCP: ...{decvax,ihnp4,allegra}!seismo!trwatf!root - Lord Frith ARPA: trwatf!root@SEISMO "Give a man a horse... and he thinks he's enormous"