Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84 exptools; site ihnet.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxr!mhuxt!houxm!ihnp4!ihnet!eklhad From: eklhad@ihnet.UUCP (K. A. Dahlke) Newsgroups: net.religion Subject: Re: Evolving Religions Message-ID: <240@ihnet.UUCP> Date: Wed, 12-Jun-85 10:35:01 EDT Article-I.D.: ihnet.240 Posted: Wed Jun 12 10:35:01 1985 Date-Received: Thu, 13-Jun-85 01:55:29 EDT References: <238@ihnet.UUCP> <446@cmu-cs-k.ARPA> <99@umcp-cs.UUCP> Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories Lines: 22 > > Since the various theistic religions are shaped by natural forces, > > I cannot believe any religion actually contains a true deity. > > Such a deity, if it exists, has not objectively affected anyone, > > not even the loyal followers of any religion. Doctrines, policies, and > > beliefs evolve and become extinct, driven solely by natural forces. > But so have all other systems of thought; if this discredits religions, it > also discredits Marxism, the various humanisms, and all other atheistic > religious systems. Here I disagree. Atheistic belief systems (e.g. humanism) do not require a deity, or any divine intervention. It is not a threat to acknowledge their natural evolutionary origins. However, Christianity (for example) must, by its very doctrines, be more than a natural, evolving belief system. Yet, I claim it is not. Therefore, humanism may have objective validity, while Christianity, as it stands today, cannot. Is there any theistic religion that cannot be explained by natural evolutionary processes? If so, where do I sign up? -- Is it time to go home yet? Karl Dahlke ihnp4!ihnet!eklhad