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From: fred@mnetor.UUCP (Fred Williams)
Newsgroups: net.religion,net.philosophy,net.physics
Subject: Re: More on ESP and the "feeling"
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Date: Thu, 13-Jun-85 09:22:40 EDT
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Posted: Thu Jun 13 09:22:40 1985
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Reply-To: fred@mnetor.UUCP (Fred Williams)
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Summary: 

In article <248@rti-sel.UUCP> wfi@rti-sel.UUCP (William Ingogly) writes:
>
>There have been instances of alleged counting horses and other
>super-smart animals that illustrate this principle. In one well-known
>case (unfortunately, I can't remember the horse's name) the horse
>would read subtle body signals from its owner while it was counting,
>signals the owner wasn't even aware of. When the owner was removed
>from the horse's presence, Voila! The horse's I.Q. suddenly dropped to
>normal horsey levels.

	There was a horse about the time of WW1 or before that could
give the answer to simple math problems even when the owner was not
around. It was later discovered that he could get clues from anyone.
Once he had reached the correct number people stopped expecting him
to tap his hoof any further. He could read their body language. This
actually seems to me to be almost as good a trick.

	If we want to discuss animal learning, there are some amazing
examples. A newspaper I was reading a few months back carried a
story of a hog farmer who put a thermostat in his pig pens consisting
of buttons that the pigs could press with their snouts. The story
is that the pigs would cut the temperature during some part of the
day and thereby saved the farmer's electricity bill. Actually I
suspect someone was pulling somebody's leg on this one. Anybody
out there know of such things? Would these be better on some other
newsgroup?

Cheers,		Fred Williams