Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/5/84; site cvl.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!philabs!cmcl2!seismo!umcp-cs!cvl!david From: david@cvl.UUCP (David Harwood) Newsgroups: net.religion Subject: The Birth of the Messiah Message-ID: <546@cvl.UUCP> Date: Fri, 14-Jun-85 12:09:37 EDT Article-I.D.: cvl.546 Posted: Fri Jun 14 12:09:37 1985 Date-Received: Tue, 18-Jun-85 00:46:13 EDT Distribution: net Organization: Computer Vision Lab, U. of Maryland, College Park Lines: 40 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >From: mangoe@umcp-cs.UUCP (Charley Wingate) Newsgroups: net.religion.christian Subject: Synoptic Gospels Message-ID: <183@umcp-cs.UUCP> Now the curious thing about the birth narratives is that they are widely different, yet they fit together very well. The read, in fact, as if two people from varying perspectives wrote about the same event. The fact that Mark does not include them signifies nothing. The point at which Mark begins is the start of Jesus' ministry, which is a perfectly natural starting point. Again, one can speculate endlessly on why Mark chose to start there instead of at the birth, but it's just idle speculation. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ For a very deliberate and scholarly treatment of the evidence and significance of these two narratives, I recommend The Birth of the Messiah by the distinguished Catholic scholar Raymond Brown. This is a very long book (600 pp) treating all aspects of this 'problem', including the ancient charge that Jesus was an illegitimate offspring since he was apparently conceived before final rite of marriage. (I don't entirely agree with the author, but I have absolutely no doubts about his intellectual integrity. And it is very fascinating to consider the manifold allusions of these narratives -- his basic point is that these narratives which focus an the 'annunciation' by the angel of the Lord of the advent of the Christ -- to Mary, to the Gentile star-gazers, to the Jews who looked forward to the Messiah, even to the shepherds watching in the fields by night -- this 'annunciation' by the angel of the Lord is similar to the 'baptism' of Jesus as Christ, the 'transfiguration' of Jesus as Christ, the 'ressurrection' of Jesus as the 'ascended' Christ, the 'parousia' or 'epiphany' of the 'glorified' Christ --- all of these accounts have to do with the mystery of the fundemental recognition of Jesus as the Christ, recognized by an 'annunciation' of the Lord. Anyway, these accounts are not simply either literal or fictional, as some would suggest.