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From: rlr@pyuxd.UUCP (Arthur Pewtey)
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Subject: Re: Remembering the Holocaust: What have we learned?
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Date: Tue, 18-Jun-85 22:21:40 EDT
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>>Oh?  Then why did you make the statement that Brower's speaking out on neo-
>>Nazis was giving a bad image to Jews as rabblerousers?  See below for more
>>discussion of Frith's assumption that because Brower spoke out, he must have
>>been Jewish, and thus leant to others the impression of Jews as loudmouths (or
>>whatever term he used). [ROSEN]

> I never said that Richard Brower was Jewish.  Show us the quote that
> proves I did. [FRITH]

>>On the contrary, what has been done is to show that the basis Frith
>>has for judging what is excessive in fighting bigotry is tainted by his own
>>little prejudices.

> Nothing of the sort has been shown.  Claims do not make reality.  Why don't
> you substantiate your words with fact Rich?

> Fact?  Your flagrent disregard for reality bespeaks your inability to speak
> the truth or to present a view without bias or distortion of the
> facts, Rich.

I quote here from Frith's article 942@trwatf.UUCP, in which he responds to
Richard Brower:

> It's quite obvious what I'm talking about.  Just read the segment of my
> article above, that you have thoughtfully included and you'll find
> out.  We're talking about Don Black's threat to the net.  Through his
> postings, I say little to no threat.  I also contend that beating his
> articles to death in an EXCESSIVE manner will do little to no good.
> Further, I contend that your attitude, as well as Rich Rosen's, will
> only confirm "their" notions of the Jew as an obsessive, loud-mouthed
> whiner.  You're not helping to clear up that stereotype much by
> insisting that I confine my discussion to YOUR domain. ["LORD" FRITH]

Why else would you have claimed that Brower's "attitude" would confirm
others' notions about Jews unless you yourself were assuming that he was
Jewish?  (Please don't bother responding.  I'm sure you'll have a good
answer, similar in tone to this:

> These "little prejudices" "assumptions" and "innate prejudices" all
> exist in your own imagination.  When will you learn to stop
> embellishing other people's remarks with YOUR OWN biases?  How many
> times do we have to listen to you deride others with this kind of
> shallow sophistry?  I guess as long as there's a network.  Got a girl
> Rich?  Does she enjoy doing this too?  I'm sure you make a lovely
> couple.

I think I documented above where my "assumptions" come from.  As for
your extremely clever repartee, it just so happens that one of my
closest friends *is* a professional dominatrix.  If you're really interested
in abuse, I'm sure it can be arranged.  You seem to thrive on it.
-- 
Life is complex.  It has real and imaginary parts.
					Rich Rosen  ihnp4!pyuxd!rlr