Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site pyuxd.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!gamma!pyuxww!pyuxd!rlr From: rlr@pyuxd.UUCP (Arthur Pewtey) Newsgroups: net.religion.jewish Subject: Re: "Presumptive nonsense" Message-ID: <1053@pyuxd.UUCP> Date: Tue, 4-Jun-85 22:43:58 EDT Article-I.D.: pyuxd.1053 Posted: Tue Jun 4 22:43:58 1985 Date-Received: Thu, 6-Jun-85 04:26:33 EDT References: <411@oakhill.UUCP> <564@sfmag.UUCP> Organization: The Chartered Accountants Who Want to Be Lion Tamers Association Lines: 44 >>I reject Torah. OK? I thought I had always been VERY open about rejecting >>arbitrary contradictory subjective and hopelessly presumptively written >>religious documents. You have as much "objective" support for your >>"tradition" as Dan Boskovich does with his presumptive nonsense to >>"objectively" support Christianity (read his "objective proofs" in >>net.religion). Given that both of you haven't a leg to stand on, what >>right do either of you have to invoke your "traditions" to tell other people >>what to do? > Why don't you tell me just what in my articles was "presumptive nonsense". > I asked for comments, flames, etc.!! I didn't expect to read them in another > newsgroup!! [DAN BOSKOVICH] I guess four extended articles in net.religion wasn't enough... > I have NO right to tell other people what to do! And I don't! > But I have every right to believe the Bible and to tell others > what I believe. Just as you have a right to resort to name-calling > and profanity on the net. Like where, sir? I resorted to pointing out some facts about the sum and total of certain people's evidence. Nothing more. If that's name-calling (and "profanity"???) to you, well, that's YOUR opinion. > Since when is disapproving of one's behavior equal to hatred. Disapproving > of Homosexuality is not equal to hating Homosexuals just as disapproving > of your childs disobedience is not equal to hating your child. Hatred > is a buzzword used to invoke an emotional reaction. Hatred is also what happens when one uses an arbitrary moral code to punish individuals who engage in practices you just don't happen to like that don't harm any other people. If that ain't hatred, then I guess the Nazis didn't hate the Jews. They just "disapproved" of them. > If you are going to reply, please do so on net.religion. I don't read > Net.religion.jewish very often. Good for you. As I said, I wrote four articles in response to your epic (copied without permission from McDowell and Lewis), as did many other people. Your "evidence" is only believable if you already happen to believe, and I go into detail in the four articles. -- Anything's possible, but only a few things actually happen. Rich Rosen pyuxd!rlr