Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84 exptools; site ihlpm.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxr!mhuxj!mhuxt!houxm!mtuxo!drutx!ihnp4!ihlpm!cher From: cher@ihlpm.UUCP (cherepov) Newsgroups: net.religion.jewish Subject: Re: Premises,Premises,Premises,... Message-ID: <280@ihlpm.UUCP> Date: Thu, 6-Jun-85 15:54:05 EDT Article-I.D.: ihlpm.280 Posted: Thu Jun 6 15:54:05 1985 Date-Received: Fri, 7-Jun-85 04:01:38 EDT References: <593@sfmag.UUCP> <1048@pyuxd.UUCP> <597@sfmag.UUCP> <1059@pyuxd.UUCP Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories Lines: 28 While agreeing with Rich Rosen on value of Mosaic laws I do not see any merit in his philosophical premises: He is forcing on Samet comparison of Biblical intolerance of homosexuals and Nazi intolerance of Jews. I see critical distinctions - Nazi view of Jews was based on theory of superiority. If theory is invalid Nazism would have to come up with different reason for anti-semitism. My point is that refuting Aryan superiority is very easy compared to refuting Torah. In fact Jewish inferiority is falsifiable within the framework of Nazism. Homosexuality is definitely a sin within framework of Judaism. From Rich: > "Internal self-consistency" is always the best a religion can hope to > achieve in attempting to prove itself. I'd say it's the best any morality system can hope to do. I do not see any other yardstick. Although stuff like "your right stops where mine starts, everybody's equal,..." appeals to me, it would only be one person's view. Unless you want to vote on it... Or to quote Woody Allen - Morals are subjective. - Subjectivity is objective... Mike Cherepov