Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site anwar.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!philabs!hhb!anwar!rob From: rob@anwar.UUCP (Robert R Stegmann) Newsgroups: net.sf-lovers Subject: Berserker and Terminator Message-ID: <183@anwar.UUCP> Date: Tue, 18-Jun-85 14:57:39 EDT Article-I.D.: anwar.183 Posted: Tue Jun 18 14:57:39 1985 Date-Received: Sun, 23-Jun-85 07:40:29 EDT Organization: HHB-Softron, Mahwah, NJ Lines: 23 [rumor: the line eater bug is a hoax] It seems to me that a concept central to TERMINATOR was that of a robot assassin capable of passing for a human. In addition, the robot and human antagonists pursued each other using time travel. Both of these ideas have been employed together in Fred Saberhagen's Berserker stories, which I believe antedate TERMINATOR. I am unsure as to whether they antedate Ellison's work. Has Ellison ripped off Saberhagen or vice versa? Have the people responsible for TERMINATOR ripped off Saberhagen? The scene in TERMINATOR showing a flashback to the future in which a terminator robot infiltrates a human enclave and begins to shoot up the place very strongly brought to mind the Berserker stories. To my mind, the only plausible justification for Ellison's victory is the evidence that the story was plagiarized from scripts he submitted and which were rejected. rob {allegra,ihnp4,decvax}!philabs!hhb!rob