Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site gargoyle.UChicago.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!cbosgd!ihnp4!crsp!gargoyle!carnes From: carnes@gargoyle.UChicago.UUCP (Richard Carnes) Newsgroups: net.singles,net.philosophy Subject: Re: Intelligence (sociobiology: are humans clever ants?) Message-ID: <499@gargoyle.UChicago.UUCP> Date: Sat, 22-Jun-85 15:43:53 EDT Article-I.D.: gargoyle.499 Posted: Sat Jun 22 15:43:53 1985 Date-Received: Sun, 23-Jun-85 07:02:36 EDT References: <443@unc.UUCP> <252@rti-sel.UUCP> <> <495@gargoyle.UChicago.UUCP> <> Followup-To: net.philosophy Organization: U. Chicago - Computer Science Lines: 124 Xref: watmath net.singles:7478 net.philosophy:1969 [Follow-ups should probably go to net.philosophy.] In his interesting article, Eric Roskos writes: >Why can't I as easily define "monogamy" in geese, let us say, as being the >same cultural phenomenon as "monogamy" in humans? How do you define culture, >other than your current definition as "a peculiarly human institution"? I >would define culture to be "a behavior or custom practiced, by convention, >by a group of like organisms." Although "culture" is a notoriously ambiguous term, animal ethologists do not, as far as I am aware, apply the term to animals. Now, you can apply the term "monogamy" to geese as long as it is understood that it cannot be applied in the anthropological sense. "Monogamy" as applied to humans means the practice or state of being married to one person at a time. Animals don't get married. If you're still not convinced that animals don't possess the institution of marriage or any other cultural forms, the best I can do is quote from Marshall Sahlins's excellent (but tough) book *The Use and Abuse of Biology: An Anthropological Critique of Sociobiology* (pp. 61ff.): _________________ The final, most fundamental conclusion must be that culture is the indispensable condition of this system of human organization and reproduction, with all its surprises for the biogenetic theory of social behavior. Human society is cultural, unique in virtue of its construction by symbolic means. E. O. Wilson says, "the highest form of tradition, by whatever criterion we choose to judge it, is of course human culture. But culture, aside from its involvement with language, which is truly unique, differs from animal tradition only in degree" (1975, p. 168). Literally, the statement is correct. If we were to disregard language, culture would differ from animal tradition only in degree. But precisely because of this "involvement with language" -- a phrase hardly befitting serious scientific discourse -- cultural social life differs from the animal in kind. It is not just the expression of an animal of another kind. The reason why human social behavior is not organized by the individual maximization of genetic interest is that human beings are not socially defined by their organic qualities but in terms of symbolic attributes; and a symbol is precisely a meaningful value -- such as "close kinship" or "shared blood" -- which cannot be determined by the physical properties of that to which it refers. Wilson pays lip service (if one may so put it) to this famous "arbitrary character of the sign." But for him the theoretical importance of human speech lies in its FUNCTION OF COMMUNICATION rather than its STRUCTURE OF SIGNIFICATION, so it is primarily understood to CONVEY INFORMATION rather than to GENERATE MEANING. As communication, language is not distinguishable from the class of animal signaling, it only adds (quantitatively) to the capacity to signal. What is signaled is information.... So far as its concept or meaning is concerned, a word is not simply referrable to external stimuli but first of all to its place in the system of language and culture, in brief to its OWN environment of related words.... I am making no more claim for culture relative to biology than biology would assert relative to physics and chemistry.... The same kind of hierarchical relationship holds for culture vis-a-vis biology.... Culture is biology plus the symbolic faculty. If we were to ask how a given system of kinship, chieftanship, or religious beliefs acquired its properties, we would have to have a theory of symbolic attribution. [end of quote from Sahlins] _____________ >... you are claiming that humans magically have >some set of properties no other animal has, rather than just incrementally >having MORE of some property. You can safely argue this from a religious >standpoint, but not from a biological one, given existing evidence. I think most biologists would agree that only humans possess a symbolic faculty, i.e. a capacity for language, and that this claim can be made quite apart from theology or metaphysics. Humans are animals all right, but animals with a BIG DIFFERENCE in KIND: only humans can create the structure of meanings attached to symbols known as "culture." >For >example, the fire ants we have here in Florida attack an ant hill, kill the >queen, take the ant hill over, and make the workers work for them. How is >that different from some people going to a country, killing its ruler, >and making the people work for them? Do you mean to suggest that, mutatis mutandis, there is NO difference? There are enormous differences. The ant queen isn't a ruler in even a metaphorical sense. Human warfare takes place in a political (and thus a cultural) context. Consider the aggression of Nazi Germany or the wars chronicled by Herodotus and Thucydides. The individual soldiers fought because they were conscripted or enslaved or paid good wages or because they were motivated by patriotism or other ideals. The political leaders who conducted the wars were motivated by the ideology of Lebensraum for Aryans or the ideals expressed in Pericles's funeral oration or the Realpolitik of the Melian Dialogue or the intention of exacting just vengeance for a grievance or any number of other reasons. Nothing remotely like this occurs in ant societies. Is anyone prepared to claim that ants possess a political life? It is potentially quite misleading to apply ethnographic terms such as slavery, marriage, monarchy, warfare, etc. to animals. These terms can be correctly applied to animals by metaphor *only*, because their meanings imply a culturally constituted world of meanings that is possessed by the human species alone. As Lewontin et al. write in *Not In Our Genes*, "...`slavery' does not exist in ants. Slavery is a form of production of economic surplus, and slaves are a form of capital. Ants know neither commodities nor capital investment nor rates of interest nor the relative advantage to industrial capital of a free labor market." Lewontin et al. draw a political moral, with which I concur: "E. O. Wilson has identified himself with American neoconservative libertarianism, which holds that society is best served by each individual acting in a self-serving manner, limited only in the case of extreme harm to others. Sociobiology is yet another attempt to put a natural-scientific foundation under Adam Smith. It combines vulgar Mendelism, vulgar Darwinism, and vulgar reductionism in the service of the status quo." In summary, "we used to be apes" is not a sufficient answer to the question "What are human beings?" [ I wish I had time to pursue this discussion further, but I probably won't, at least for a few weeks. ] Richard Carnes, ihnp4!gargoyle!carnes