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From: seifert@hammer.UUCP (Snoopy)
Newsgroups: net.politics,net.social,net.women,net.flame
Subject: Re: The Horrible thing nobody's had the guts to say about AA
Message-ID: <1325@hammer.UUCP>
Date: Sun, 9-Jun-85 14:29:41 EDT
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Posted: Sun Jun  9 14:29:41 1985
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Reply-To: seifert@hammer.UUCP (Snoopy)
Organization: The Daisy Hill Puppy Farm
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Keywords: low-life sexist slimeball
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Summary: 

In article <544@utai.UUCP> gkloker@utai.UUCP (Geoff Loker) writes:
>In article <278@looking.UUCP> brad@looking.UUCP (Brad Templeton) writes:
>>The one thing people haven't had the guts to say is that quite simply,
>>51% of the most qualified engineers and computer scientists are not women.

>Allow me to suggest at least one reason why there are more qualified men 
>than women in engineering (if not other 'technical' fields):
>
>At the University of Waterloo (where I spent my undergraduate years in
>computer science and \not/ engineering), there were a number of things
>which filtered out to the rest of the campus from the Engineering wing
>of things:
>
> 1) The Engineering Society (EngSoc) sponsored a "humour" paper for
>    engineers (the "EngiNews"). It was apparently quite crude, rude,
>    and sexist in its "humour".

> 2) About 2 years ago, the engineers had a Lady Godiva day.

> 3) There was a game called "Cobra",

> 4) EngSoc sponsored events tended to be Bus Pushes, Arm Wrestling ...

Judging from this description, Waterloo sounds, er, "unusual".

Bus pushing contests don't sounds like the sort of thing a "typical"
engineer would be interested in.  Most engineers' talents lie in the
brain, not in the biceps.

The "Lady Godiva Day" sounds like standard college foolishness.
If you don't want to be around college foolishness, don't go
to college.

The "humour" paper sounds like the sort of garbage lower life forms
tend to enjoy.  I'm not sure what Canada's position is on "freedom
of the press", but this sort of paper would be rather hard to
outlaw in the US without lots of people yelling about the first
admendment.  We may not like it, but we seem to be stuck with it,
least we give the book-burners a free reign.  :-(

The "cobra" game sounds like something which needs to be stomped
on, hard.  This sort of thing is inexcusable.

Yes, it sounds like the Waterloo engineering dept is full of low-life,
sexist slimeballs.  Don't assume that this applies to engineers in
general.

Purdue (a *real* engineering school) has events like calculator
olympics and go-kart races ("where'd that physics book go?")
complete with computerised lap board so good that Indy wanted
one.  HKN beta chapter (electrical engineering honor fraternity)
sponsered three curb cuts for the handicapped.  Oh yes, not to
forget the Rube Goldberg contest.

Snoopy (one engineer who isn't a sexist slimeball)
tektronix!hammer!seifert

(just a slimeball)