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From: cherson@fsleng.DEC
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Subject: Pete Rose Poll
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Date: Mon, 3-Jun-85 12:48:06 EDT
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Fellow netters,

	Well I've been surveying the reactions to my reaction to Pete Rose and
right now I would have to say that the responses are running slightly at 3-2
for the great one (the anti's are starting to come in).  But before this thing
starts to get out of hand I'd like to express some more feelings on Pete, et al
without resorting to crude language, which I did in my original message.

	I think there is a cultural difference vis-a-vis myself and the Vince
Lombardi-Pete Rose school of "win at all costs".  When I look at sports I like
to remember the saying that the Chinese use:"Friendship first, competition
second".  Subscription to this philosophy and professional sports in America,
especially America in the '80's, does not mix.  Some of you must be thinking
that "this guy is a real wimp, he doesn't want to win, etc."

	I still follow sports, baseball among them, because for one I've been
doing so ever since I can remember (first baseball game-Boston Braves vs. N.Y.
Giants), and second because I like to see the skills of each sport displayed.
But I've stopped taking them at all seriously since the '60's and don't even
root for one team.

	I don't find anything to admire about Pete Rose ending the career of
Ray Fosse, he had more right to be on the baseline than P.R. had to come
crashing in head first in an exhibition game.  The fact that someone could find
something to admire about this signals a certain fault in current American
thinking.

	One other thought, if by putting himself in the line-up is retarding
the development of the Reds' young outfielders, than that's more than enough
reason to fire him as manager, other managers have been fired for less.  But
Cinncinati's front office doesn't seem to want to develop the team into a 
competitor again, but squeeze every last bit of PR out of Rose's quest for
Cobb's record.  The fans in Cincy will only be able to go "wild" over Rose but
their team will remain a mediocrity.

	Let's end the Pete Rose love/hate poll and get on to other topics.


					David Cherson