Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site ucla-cs.ARPA Path: utzoo!linus!philabs!cmcl2!seismo!harvard!talcott!panda!genrad!decvax!ittvax!dcdwest!sdcsvax!sdcrdcf!trwrb!trwrba!cepu!ucla-cs!rick From: rick@ucla-cs.UUCP Newsgroups: net.sport.hockey Subject: Re: give NHL teams a more local flavour Message-ID: <5850@ucla-cs.ARPA> Date: Tue, 4-Jun-85 22:50:30 EDT Article-I.D.: ucla-cs.5850 Posted: Tue Jun 4 22:50:30 1985 Date-Received: Mon, 10-Jun-85 02:35:02 EDT References: <1564@dciem.UUCP> Reply-To: rick@ucla-cs.UUCP (Richard Gillespie) Distribution: net Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department Lines: 70 Keywords: bad idea In article <1564@dciem.UUCP> jeff@dciem.UUCP (Jeff Richardson) writes: > ... >One possibility would be to have the current NHL entry draft preceded by >territorial draft. In the territorial draft, each NHL team would be assigned >its own local territory (the territories would be assigned after a careful >analysis of where all the NHL players have come from over the years), and it >would be permitted to draft only players from that area. You MUST be a Leafs fan, Jeff, because they would be about the only team to benefit. Ontario supplies more NHL players than any other region on the continent. I haven't got the stats handy but I assume a significant number of those are from the Toronto area. But, nonetheless, let's examine the possibilities. For argument's sake let's move the Penguins to Hamilton and the Devils to Saskatoon. We then have conferences and divisions sort of like: Canadian Conference USA Conference East West East West Quebec Vancouver Hartford Los Angeles Montreal Calgary Boston St Louis Toronto Edmonton NY Islanders Minnesota Hamilton Saskatoon NY Rangers Chicago Buffalo Winnipeg Philadelphia Detroit Washington (I arbitrarily moved Buffalo to Canada, no one else wants the city anyway :-)). Would you want to have the territorial rights of, say, Los Angeles. There are as many NHL caliber players here as there are NBA players in Toronto (with apologies to Leo Rautins). You could give LA all the players in the western USA and it wouldn't be close. The only American teams with a chance to prosper are the New York teams (I wouldn't want to define the territories there), Hartford, Boston, and Minnesota. Detroit (with that Compuware team locally) and Chicago, too, maybe. And the caliber of players from those areas, in general, isn't as good as Junior A players in Canada. No, I'm afraid that this isn't going to work Jeff - you can't legislate the American teams to cut their own throats. But, Jeff offers a solution: > ... Since most NHL players still come out of Canada, but >there are more American teams, the American teams' territories would not >have as much total player potential as the Canadian teams' territories, >assuming all of Canada is divided up among the Canadian teams and all of >the US is divided up among the American teams. That can be compensated >for by allowing the American teams to pick more players in the territorial >draft (say, 5 or 6 vs. 3 for the Canadian teams) and making Europe part of >the American teams' territories. Great, they can have 5 or 6 awful players that will never make the NHL as opposed to 3 that have a solid chance. Even throwing in Europe isn't going to help much. >There are several advantages to giving the teams more local flavour, ranging >from allowing the fans to better identify with their team, thereby increasing >fan interest, to making it beneficial for teams to spend money improving >the local and regional hockey leagues for young players. I can only think of 2 examples of this: the Rangers with Fotiu, and the Black Hawks with Olczyk. The Rangers bow to the fans by playing Fotiu who is a marginal player. They don't get anything out of it, they just hurt themselves. The Hawks have a good player in Olczyk so he is a good example for you. However, I think he is something of a fluke. >I'd love to hear some comments on this idea. Ok, the idea is bad. But interesting to think about. -- Rick Gillespie ARPANET: rick@ucla-locus.ARPA or (soon) rick@LOCUS.UCLA.EDU UUCP: ...!{cepu|ihnp4|sdcrdcf|ucbvax}!ucla-cs!rick SPUDNET: ...eye%rick@russet.spud