Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site utai.UUCP Path: utzoo!utcsri!utai!gkloker From: gkloker@utai.UUCP (Geoff Loker) Newsgroups: net.women Subject: Re: ..explicit text.. ; rape worse than murder? Message-ID: <557@utai.UUCP> Date: Fri, 7-Jun-85 15:02:15 EDT Article-I.D.: utai.557 Posted: Fri Jun 7 15:02:15 1985 Date-Received: Fri, 7-Jun-85 16:45:31 EDT References: <560@sphinx.UChicago.UUCP> <522@usl.UUCP> <530@utai.UUCP> <554@ihlpg.UUCP> Reply-To: gkloker@utai.UUCP (Geoff Loker) Organization: CSRI, University of Toronto Lines: 74 Summary: In article <554@ihlpg.UUCP> sed408@ihlpg.UUCP (s. dugan) writes: >> In article <522@usl.UUCP> jla@usl.UUCP (Joe Arceneaux) writes: >> >In article <560@sphinx.UChicago.UUCP> beth@sphinx.UChicago.UUCP (Beth Christy) writes: >> >> >> >> . . . I disagree with you - I think rape is worse than murder. . . >> > >> >Agreed that there are people who never "recover" from rape, but then there >> >are some who do survive it without serious damage (several women I know, >> >e.g.). On the other hand, *nobody* survives murder. >> > >> >-- >> > Joe Arceneaux >> >> . . . various rumblings about suffering, etc. . . . >> >> I think that this definitely shows that rape is a worse crime than >> murder. (Did I really say that?) >> >> -- >> Geoff Loker >> > > >NOW HOOOOOOLD ON THAR!!! > >All of us suffer some heavy-duty things at some time in our lives. It's too >bad, but that's what living's all about! If you'd rather die than suffer than >you'd better end it all right here and now because I guarantee you will >suffer. Just because life's tough is no reason to prefer not living. I've >had my share of tough times. I've been raped TWICE (see previous posting). >I'm glad as hell that I'm still around to show other victims that you don't >have to live the rest of your life as a victim. Life does go on. THANK GOD! > > > > Sarah E. Dugan > (no clever lines) My apologies, Sarah. I never meant to come out sounding like I was an advocate for death. What I was trying to say was that rape is as serious a crime as murder, and that in some cases it is worse in that its victim can be left in a "living death". As you pointed out, it is possible to recover from rape (thank God), but on the other hand there are some who don't. In those cases **especially**, I think that rape should be treated as a more serious crime than murder. In my previous posting, I was trying to get across the idea of the horribleness of rape without having it seem as if I was saying that someone would be better off dead. I wanted to say that rape took something precious from a victim and forced that person to live with the loss of it for the rest of their lives, but by the way I phrased it, it could have been taken as if I thought that a rape victim would be better off dead (as a mercy?) (I DO NOT feel this way.) I went for a quick and dirty ending which said something I hadn't meant to say. Sorry. Please note: I am NOT saying that I don't prefer life. I am NOT saying that rape victims should give up on life, or that they would be better off dead. I certainly DO NOT want to come down on any rape victims. I am sorry, once again, for not having made my ideas clearer. -- Geoff Loker Department of Computer Science University of Toronto Toronto, ON M5S 1A4 USENET: {ihnp4 decwrl utzoo uw-beaver}!utcsri!utai!gkloker CSNET: gkloker@toronto ARPANET: gkloker.toronto@csnet-relay