Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.PCS 1/10/84; site mtgzz.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxr!ihnp4!drutx!mtuxo!mtgzz!dls From: dls@mtgzz.UUCP (d.l.skran) Newsgroups: net.women Subject: Re: Why men worry about being falsely accused Message-ID: <814@mtgzz.UUCP> Date: Fri, 7-Jun-85 14:33:47 EDT Article-I.D.: mtgzz.814 Posted: Fri Jun 7 14:33:47 1985 Date-Received: Sat, 8-Jun-85 03:58:22 EDT References: <809@mtgzz.UUCP>, <169@lzwi.UUCP> Organization: AT&T Information Systems Labs, Middletown NJ Lines: 40 Sounds to me like Carol Jackson & I agree: rape should be treated by the same standards as any other crime. I agree this means prohibiting questions like "are you a virgin" and so on. In fact, I mentioned in the original posting that rape laws did need reform. It was never my intention to suggest that I had any evidence that the chances of being falsely accused of rape were any greater than for any other crime. However, I think men fear being falsely accused of rape for three reasons: 1)They *know* women exist who are mad at them for one reason or another. 2)They see little that they could offer by way of a defense, especially if they have had some sort of relationship with the person in the past. 3)They can readily imagine a your word against mine situation, no conviction, and then the total destruction of their reputation, possible loss of job, etc. because everyone they know will take sides. Hence, when someone says something like "as soon as she says no, sex becomes rape," it tends to scare men spitless. We all agree rape is a crime of violence. It is not the no that makes it a crime so much as the force used to overcome the no. As long as we all agree that the same rules of evidence are used for rape as for all crimes, I, and I think most men, have no problem with the situation. Nothing I have said is intended to belittle the suffering of rape victims. However, I am trying to shed some light on why men may be extremely defensive, and refuse to acknowledge the suffering of rape victims. Dale All opinions are my own, and not those of AT&T.