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From: dmcanzi@watdcsu.UUCP (David Canzi)
Newsgroups: net.women
Subject: Re: Re: "provocative" clothing
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Date: Sat, 8-Jun-85 00:22:03 EDT
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Posted: Sat Jun  8 00:22:03 1985
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In article <2516@randvax.UUCP> edhall@randvax.UUCP (Ed Hall) writes:
>> A lot of people are casually assuming that sex is not part of what
>> motivates a rapist.  How do you know?  Do you have studies to back
>> this belief up,...
>
>I think you have a misunderstanding here.  Rape is not sex.  Rape is
>a violation of a person's body.  It is violence, pure and simple.

Perhaps you and I mean different things by the word "sex".  To you,
perhaps, the word "sex" only includes acts in which all involved
parties are involved voluntarily.  I use the word to mean certain
kinds of physical acts.  By my meaning, rape is both sex and violence.

>A rapist might be sexually aroused by violence.  But this is not what
>makes rape a crime.  The violence is.

As far as I know, nothing I've said implies that it's the sexual
aspect of rape that makes it a crime.  The question is: what aspect of
rape is it that motivates the rapist?  A lot of feminists seem to be
absolutely certain that rapists are motivated solely by the violence,
which is a pretty strong statement.  I haven't seen any evidence strong
enough to justify such certainty in such a strong statement.

>Then why do you persist in calling it ``sex''?  What the hell is wrong
>with calling it violence?

Sex (at least in my meaning of the word) and violence are not mutually
exclusive.  Even if the rapist's motivation is sexual, rape is still
violent (or at least coercive).  Nothing I've said implies otherwise.
-- 
David Canzi

"When more and more people are thrown out of work, unemployment
results."
	-- Calvin Coolidge